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- From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
- Subject: Re: Negative Gearing
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.064735.12899@trl.oz.au>
- Sender: root@trl.oz.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
- Organization: Telecom Australia Research Laboratories
- References: <Bxszyq.LsJ@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> <1992Nov17.062737.22016@trl.oz.au> <BxusMp.29n@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> <1992Nov18.005443.8650@trl.oz.au> <1992Nov19.034509.11169@trl.oz.au> <1992Nov19.071027.16215@cs.su.oz.au>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:47:35 GMT
- Lines: 54
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- In article <1992Nov19.071027.16215@cs.su.oz.au> yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
- writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.034509.11169@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris
- O'Neill) writes:
- >>In response to a suggestion that I provide an example of how the tax office
- can
- >>usually be expected to make a loss because of negative gearing, I have worked
- >>out the following. The suggestion was in response to the comment I made in
- the
- >>article <1992Nov18.005443.8650@trl.oz.au>:
- >>
- >>> See if you can make a
- >>>realistic example that includes interest on the tax office losses.
- >>
- >>Suppose we have 8% inflation, 18% (nominal) interest rate, 6% rate of return
- on
- >>investment, 48.25% tax rate and an interest only loan. Under these
- conditions
- >>the proportion of negative gearing decreases as time goes by and eventually
- the
- >>return exceeds the interest. For the sake of clarity suppose the original
- >>amount borrowed and invested is $100,000. Interest is fixed at $18,000 per
- >>year. Rental return is $6,000 the first year and increases with inflation
- >>after that so we have:
- >>
- >>year rent loss or gain loss or gain absorbed present value of A
- >> by tax office(A)
- >>1 $6000 $12000 $5790 $5790
- >>2 $6480 $11520 $5558.40 $4710.51
- >>3 $6998.40 $11001.60 $5308.27 $3812.32
- >>4 $7558.27 $10441.73 $5038.13 $3066.36
- >>
- >>16 $19033.01 $1033.01(gain) $498.43(gain) $41.63(gain)
- >
- >If you are trying to make it realistic, maybe you should assume that
- >the bank would expect you to pay back some of the principal each year,
- >this would accellerate the movement to positive gearing. There are
- >very few interest only loans out there.
-
- Allright, here it is. Suppose the loan has to be paid back over 25 years with
- annual repayments of $18291.89. This brings the investment into positve
- gearing in year 14 instead of year 16 above. (Wow, what an acceleration.) The
- total present value loss (or subsidy or whatever you want to call it) is now
- $19253.10 instead of $22774 with an interest only loan. Gee, big difference.
-
- In case you want to call it a subsidy, what benefit has the tax office achieved
- for its contribution of $19252.10? As far as the tax office is concerned (and
- every other taxpayer) it would have been better off by $19252.10 if you had
- never undertaken this investment at all. It is really an exploitative tax
- avoidance scheme, perhaps not in the same league as Bottom of the Harbour, but
- exploitative nevertheless.
-
- Chris O'Neill
- Telecom Research
-