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- From: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
- Subject: Re: Negative Gearing
- Reply-To: yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga)
- Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:13:58 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.061358.29655@cs.su.oz.au>
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- In article <chris.722235943@suite.sw.oz.au: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:
- :In <1992Nov19.061221.9683@cs.su.oz.au: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga) writes:
- ::In article <chris.722147967@suite.sw.oz.au: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:
- :::Thus is you borrow (say) $100K at 10% to buy blue-chip shares returning 6.1%
- :::dividends, your net loss is $4K pa before tax. This will be offset against
- :::other income. Additionally there is a further $3900K of tax credits to be
- :::used to offset tax on other income. You don't need even need a capital
- :
- ::Not quite right, you get 39 cents in the dollar for FULLY-FRANKED shares
- ::(which is still usually limited to the blue chip stocks), you get less
- ::for partially franked stock, and zero for unfranked stock.
- ::And you calculation is wrong, you would get 39% of the dividend as a
- ::tax credit (39%*6.1%) or $2379, not the $3900 (or even $3900K :-))
- ::that you are talking about.
- :
- :No Ray, my calculation is right. Dividends are paid out of the after-tax
- :profits of companies. The actual dividend paid represents 61% of the total
- :notional dividend, with the other 39% being imputation credit (tax paid
- :by the company). Think about it. The notional dividend is added to your
- :taxable income, and the imputation credit is added to your tax paid. The
- :difference (10% roughly of the notional total, or 16% of the dividend at
- :a tax rate of 48.5%) is the effective tax rate on the dividend. Magic.
-
- You are right, I misread your calculation, although I should have picked
- up what looked to me to be a random 6.1% as a trigger, it is actually
- $10k minus the 39% company tax, instead I mistakenly took you to be
- taking 39% of your interest rate, which would be wrong. Please note
- that fully imputed credits are only available on a small number of
- stocks listed.
-