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- From: yar@cs.su.oz.au (Ray Loyzaga)
- Subject: Re: GST - double tax?
- Reply-To: yar@cluster.cs.su.oz (Ray Loyzaga)
- Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
- Distribution: aus
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:26:17 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.062617.17733@cs.su.oz.au>
- Keywords: GST
- References: <rakesh.721969299@sungear>
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- In article <rakesh.721969299@sungear> rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI) writes:
- >Something about GST which is not clear to me, can somebody explain?
- >
- >IF a particular item from raw material stage to final stage (when it
- >reaches consumer) may pass through 3 - 4 stage of manufacturing level.
- >If 15 % GST is charged on each level of sale, will that not increase
- >price of the manufactured goods?
- >
- >e.g. If a ballpen worth a dollar requires 4 stages of manufacture and
- >each stage you charge 15 % tax, will not ballpen cost
- >1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 = 1.75$?
-
- Each stage of manufacture can claim that the previous stage has paid
- a 15% GST, which means that they get a tax credit for the GST already
- paid upstream. So as it goes downstream it becomes a 15% tax on the
- value added. This is why the GST works as a 15% tarriff, as importers
- cannot claim that GST has been paid, so they have to pay it on their
- entire sale price. This means that a distributer (like woolies etc)
- that can buy an Aussie product for $1.15 or an overseas product for
- $1.15 will find that the Aussie product is cheaper because he will
- get a 15 cent tax credit. This calculation is somewhat harder than
- the average 8 year old can do, so you can see why it doesn't make it
- into the media.
-
- >Can someone comment on above? Sounds ridiculously high taxation. Or
- >GST has any means to over come double or tripple taxing?
- >
- >Other question GST will be charged on end product by business,
- >retailer, or entrepreneur to the client. Hence a business-person will
- >be tax collector. Isn't Dr. Hewson assuming that all business-people
- >are honest and the collected tax will be passed on to
- >govt? My personal experience is that, in India (from where I have
- >migrated) Sales Tax (similar to GST) of 4 to 12% is charged on
- >commodities (depending on the category). This is there in Indian system
-
- The Australian system is vastly different to the Indian system, for
- tax purposes receipts must be retained, most businesses are honest
- within some bounds. You will find that most of the scams are done
- by the larger firms, but yes it is possible that some businesses may not
- be declaring any turnover (they better not issue traceable receipts!),
- but unlike the present, at least some tax will be collected upstream
- and downstream from them.
-
- >for past 40 years (Dr. Hewson made it sound GST as brand new idea).
-
- Hmmm, last I heard he was using many other countries as an example and
- pointing out that we are one of a few OECD countries without a
- GST. Sounds like you should buy a different newspaper, the only thing
- that sets the Hewson proposals from the rest (and I would probably
- think for longer than 40 years) is that he has issued a fairly
- comprehensive list of changes across a range of policy areas
- that he is willing to take to the people, PRIOR to the election.
- This is very different to most oppositions (many could argue
- that it is foolish too!) and I for one would like this sort of
- behaviour to be the norm, rather than the exception. Sadly with
- the way the parliamentary system works against the opposition
- and the fact that a complex system of reform is impossible to
- sell through the media due to their need for sensation grabbing
- headlines I don't think that the FIghtback package stands a hope in
- hell of being implemented.
-
- >This tax is collected by business-person and supposed to be transfered
- >to govt. Since business-person are the most corrupt part of system (at
- >least in India) they manipulate figures and not only evade regular tax
- >on income but also eat away collected sales tax.
- >
- >Did Dr. Hewson look at such possible problem?
- >
- >rakesh
- >
- >ps I am liberal supporter but Kennet and Hewson are making me really
- >think whether they are worth getting elected!
- >--
- >************************************************************************
- >* Rakesh Desai, Mech & Manf Eng, Uni of Melbourne, Parkville,Vic 3052*
- >* email : rakesh@ecr.mu.oz.au * (03) 344 6728 *
- >************************************************************************
-
- What exactly have Kennett/Hewson said/done that you disagree with?
-