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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: How's it hanging? (was Re: What's cooking?)
- Message-ID: <11668@hogg.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 11:51:28 GMT
- References: <BxvMIH.JvE@cs.psu.edu> <1ec3g6INNrep@agate.berkeley.edu> <BxxAC1.Ms4@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Nov19.170942.15605@oracorp.com> <1992Nov23.103445.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>
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- In article <1992Nov23.103445.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.170942.15605@oracorp.com>, harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper) writes:
- >> An animate being was hanged if its death came by hanging. An
- >> inanimate object was hung when it was dangled somewhere. [...]
- >>
- >> P.S. It may even be more complicated. The corpse of Cromwell was
- >> disinterred and then (hanged/hung) for a traitor and regicide. Which
- >> is it? I'd say "hanged" there because the intent was to treat the
- >> corpse as though it were animate and could suffer punishment. [...]
- >
- >I prefer a simpler rule. Forget about the animate/inanimate distinction.
- >"Hung" refers to all forms of dangling, but "hanged" refers to a
- >very specific procedure which involves putting a rope around the neck
- >and then letting the victim drop. From this point of view, there's
- >no doubt that the corpse of Cromwell was hanged.
-
- I prefer a rule that reflects faithfully how English usage works.
- Let's see.
-
- It is "hanged" if the live victim was suspended by the neck in a way
- which normally interrupts the flow of blood and air, causing death.
- It is still "hanged" if the victim was taken out of the noose while
- still alive, in order to be set free or disembowelled, drawn and
- quartered as appropriate.
-
- It is still "hanged" if a dead body was treated in this way, but (I'd
- say) only if this is done by analogy with the form of capital punishment,
- as I understand it was in Cromwell's case (as per D Harper's postscriptum).
- If it were the custom to execute the criminal by stabbing in the heart,
- poison, stoning, or what have you, and then suspend the dead body by the
- neck to deter the population, I would use "hung".
-
- But that is not the whole story. How about hanging head down, by the
- ankles, as a method of execution?
-
- --
- `Haud yer wheesht! Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
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