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- From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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- Subject: Re: Arguing about language
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 17:59:53 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.232609.12872@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
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- >Heck, you've got me all wrong. People *should* learn to write formally.
- >BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO LEARN THAT THEY ARE LEARNING FORMAL WRITING, and
- >that this has a special relationship to their speech.
-
- I just asked another gentleman this question, so I'll ask you: why should
- people learn to write formally? Why not just write in dialect?
-
- >Writing is taught badly. Many teachers can't teach people to write good
- >sentences -- which are basically sentences that sound good. Most people
- >at Penn *speak* in complete sentences, after all. No?
-
- Actually, no. It's interesting to read direct tape transcriptions from
- interviews; there are loads of fragments. Not many people actually speak
- in complete sentences most of the time. One of the things I do (when not
- haggling on the net) is write speeches, and I've been taught to use
- fragments.
-
- >But instead,
- >they teach abstract rules of grammar, and lose the habit of listening
- >to what one writes.
-
- I completely agree with you (and this is frightening).
-
- >If you think that I consider errors to be part of English, you've
- >misunderstood everything I said. There *is* a formal dialect,
- >and knowing it is important.
-
- Again, why?
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- --
- The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
- if only from time to time. -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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