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- From: charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer)
- Subject: Re: Apostrophes in Plural forms?
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:02:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.035118.1018@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu
- (Roger Lustig) writes (replying to me):
-
- > But [scientists] were perverse souls who decided to obfuscate just for the
- > hell of it, right? I think not. Instead, things may have gotten a little
- > more complicated on the scientific front, and the expressions used to
- > describe complicated things and process just got too long.
-
- That is demonstrably not true. It is purely a matter of modern style.
- In medicine, for example, many diseases that had names are being renamed
- alphabet soup style, e. g. erythroblastosis fetalis to hemolytic disease
- of the newborn (HDN).
-
- Is a PCV valve (to use one of your own examples) more complicated than a
- carburator or a butterfly valve? No, but since it's new it gets a TLA.
-
- > Do you really want to write out "maximum likelihood" or "best linear unbiased
- > estimator" or "Kolmogorov-Smirnov Test" every time? Nor do you, I bet.
-
- You bet wrong. I explicitly said the exact opposite. The trouble with you,
- Roger, is that you don't pay any attention to what you read before you start
- flaming.
-
- Even "maximum likelihood", which I use many times a paper, I spell out each
- time. The language flows better, and I have never had an editor or referee
- suggest compressing it with more initialisms.
-
- > Try writing a 20-graf newspaper article on such a topic using van Leunen's
- > advice. Then repeat the exercise with a technical report.
-
- I've never been a newspaper writer and don't ever expect to be one. I've
- done it with technical reports and scientific papers many times.
-
- > Didn't the people who introduced the acronyms and initialisms do so to
- > make their lives (and those of the folks around them) simpler? If this
- > hadn't succeeded, would they have continued?
-
- Roger, you have this amazingly panglossian view of the world. Anything
- people say, it is because that is the best of all possible ways to say it.
- It never seems to enter your mind that people frequently continue to do
- things out of sheer trendiness long after they have become totally
- counterproductive.
-
- > "Disease" -- there it is. When you don't like a phenomenon, don't
- > tell us why it's bad, just insult it and those associated with it.
- > VAX, PCV valve, MRI scan, the GOP, CBS, the USS Iowa -- you must use
- > a hundred initialisms and acronyms in a day.
-
- I doubt I use ten. Half of those I use disparagingly.
-
- Why does a computer or a computer company have to be named with a TLA?
- Did people not buy Stutz Bearcats or Ford Fairlanes or Rolls-Royce Silver
- Clouds before initial mania struck? People even buy Apple Macintoshs,
- but I guess they don't count, not being real computers.
-
- PCV valve I knocked above.
-
- MRI scan. Wonderful. It used to be NMR scan, but that's now politically
- incorrect. It just goes to show that these things don't always save
- time. The N buried in NMR stood for "nuclear" which was held to scare
- patients, hence MRI. Can you explain why a word for this couldn't
- be invented as would have happened if this had been invented 30 years
- ago?
-
- As for the others, if the only initialisms in use were as old as GOP and
- USS, there wouldn't be any problem. As I said, it's the bewildering
- number of them that's the problem. No one of them is evil in itself.
-
- > Well, speaking the language of your audience is always a good idea.
- > But why don't you find metonymic terms for the Central Limit Theorem,
- > the way van Leunen suggests?
-
- That's your characterization of what van Leunen suggests. It's not
- what she said. I already said how I avoid spelling out "central limit
- theorem" in each place a devotee of initialisms would use "CLT". It's
- not difficult. It comes to mind immediately as soon as one stops trying
- to maximize initialisms and starts trying to minimize them.
-
-
- --
- Charles Geyer
- School of Statistics
- University of Minnesota
- charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu
-