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- From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
- Subject: Re: quite unique
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.222327@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Organization: Iowa State University
- References: <BxuK87.176@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1992Nov17.181046.21137@nas.nasa.gov> <1992Nov18.192304.15503@nas.nasa.gov> <1992Nov18.221451.14168@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:23:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.221451.14168@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca
- (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov18.192304.15503@nas.nasa.gov> asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov
- (Daniel A. Asimov) writes:
-
- > >Since there are infinitely more real numbers than integers,
- > >perhaps it *does* make sense to say that 1/3 is "more unique"
- > >than the number 2, in the above contexts.
- >
- > Wrong - there are not infinitely more real numbers than integers. If I
- > had my university notes, I could trot out the proof, but in the
- > meantime: there are infinite numbers of integers and of real numbers.
- > "Infinite" being an absolute term, you can't say that one infinite set
- > is larger than the other (and certainly not infinitely larger).
-
- If you had studied rheal analysis a little more, you would have found that
- it is quite rheasonable to say "there are infinitely more real numbers than
- integers". This is true in two senses, one mathematically interesting, the
- other not:
-
- (a). If you take the set of real numbers and remove from it all the integers,
- the remaining set is infinitely large.
-
- (b). There is no one-to-one mapping of the real numbers onto the integers.
- To put this in non-mathematical terms, if you were to "match up" the
- real numbers and the integers, you would have to match an infinite
- number of real numbers to each integer.
-
- Having said that, I will note that we do not usually say that there are
- infinitely more real numbers than integers. We usually say that the real
- numbers are "uncountably infinite" and the integers are "countably infininte".
- To a mathematician, "infinite" is *not* an absolute term. It is true that
- some things are infinite and others are not, but there are degrees of infinity.
- In the same sense, some food is cooked and some is raw, but "cooked" is not
- an absolute term: some food is cooked more and some less.
-
- I added that example for Ted, who was probably wondering how long it would
- take me to start talking about food.
-
-
- Marie Coffin
-