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- From: nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
- Subject: Re: quite unique
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.023246.18160@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
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- Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
- References: <1992Nov18.192304.15503@nas.nasa.gov> <1992Nov18.221451.14168@bcrka451.bnr.ca> <1992Nov19.004556.6597@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:32:46 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.004556.6597@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com writes:
- >In article <1992Nov18.221451.14168@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov18.192304.15503@nas.nasa.gov> asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov (Daniel A. Asimov) writes:
- >>>Since there are infinitely more real numbers than integers,
- >>>perhaps it *does* make sense to say that 1/3 is "more unique"
- >>>than the number 2, in the above contexts.
- >>
- >>Wrong - there are not infinitely more real numbers than integers. If I
- >>had my university notes, I could trot out the proof, but in the
- >>meantime: there are infinite numbers of integers and of real numbers.
- >>"Infinite" being an absolute term, you can't say that one infinite set
- >>is larger than the other (and certainly not infinitely larger).
- >
- >Sigh.
- >
- >Please be gentle with him; he often says things I agree with :-).
- >
- >Rheal-
- >
- > There really are infinitely more real numbers than integers. The
- >classic proof is Cantor's diagonalization argument. The set of
- >integers has countably many elements (its cardinality is generally
- >notated by the Hebrew letter aleph subscript zero [pronounced "aleph
- >null"]). The set of real numbers has uncountably many elements and
- >its cardinality is equal to that of the set of sets of integers or two
- >to the aleph null which is strictly greater. There exist higher order
- >infinities as well.
- > The set of rational numbers *is* countable and therefore there are
- >as many integers as rationals.
-
- Sigh, indeed. Yes, the proof I vaguely remembered was for rationals,
- not reals. Oh well, what can you expect from a CompSci major?
-
- > It's usually wise to make sure that you're right before you correct
- >someone. [Ok, everybody point out all of the mistakes in my
- >correction! :-)]
-
- But, this is Usenet! If people waited to be sure they're right before
- replying to posts, we'd hardly have *anything* to read! :-)
-
- The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
- (I'm sure BNR's glad of THAT!)
-