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- From: baron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Baron)
- Subject: Re: What's cooking?
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:38:59 GMT
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- In article <Bxx9n8.Cs@cs.psu.edu> plu@math.psu.edu (Mr. Hypothetical) writes:
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- >From: plu@math.psu.edu (Mr. Hypothetical)
- >Subject: Re: What's cooking?
- >In-Reply-To: ted@physics3's message of 18 Nov 1992 01:47:36 GMT
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- >ted@physics3 (Emory F. Bunn) writes:
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- > In my experience, the verb "to cook" has both an active and a passive sense.
- > That is, both "I am cooking the eggplants" and "The eggplants are cooking"
- > are correct. I believe Jin-Yuan's original question was something like
- > "Is sentence (2) acceptable usage?" I would answer that it is.
- >
- >I never really thought about it before, but "The eggplants are
- >cooking" does sound kind of weird, in a way.... What are the eggplants
- >cooking? I think the sentence is acceptable, but it's not so much
- >passive as reflexive: The eggplants are cooking themselves. On the
- >other hand, not every verb is like "cook" - the sentence "Glass Recycles"
- >printed on soda bottles still sounds weird to me.
- >
- >- Todd Andrew Simpson
- >
- >
- >
- >
- I believe this is what is called the ergative voice. Here are some
- other active/ergative pairs:
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- She sold the house.
- The house sold.
-
- Irv read the book easily.
- The book reads easily.
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- The sergeant trained the recruits.
- The recruits trained.
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- The b term in each is active in form but passive in meaning. As with
- true passives, the object of the active becomes the subject in the new
- form. It is often more fruitful to think of agents, patients, and
- instruments, rather than surface subjects and objects.
-
- One example I remember comes from a Campbell's ad:
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- The soup that eats like a meal.
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- Parse that, why dontcha?
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- Dennis
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