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- From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
- Subject: Re: quite unique research?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.200903.3843@news.columbia.edu>
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- Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
- Organization: Columbia University
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:09:03 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.161732.2605@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >
- >>>>A pity, isn't it.
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>I believe the writer was referring to your penchant for becoming rude
- >>and abusive when others disagree with you.
- >
- >You know, I'd like to see a posting of mine in which I become rude
- >because people disagree with me.
-
- Please refer to almost any posting in this thread. People who have
- opinions different from yours invariably get flamed by you. Ted Hayes
- needs to see the optometrist. I need to be hit with a two-by-four,
- and of course, I spatter my prejudice everywhere I go, as if you know
- everywhere I go.
-
- >Yes, occasionally I say rude things around here. But they're
- >generally reactions to things *I* perceive as being far more rude:
- >calling people who use this or that idiom "ignorant" or "illiterate"
- >or "wrong" without any reason. Talking about the terrible decline in
- >standards
-
- There are many who believe that there *has* been a decline in
- standards, and they are certainly entitled to that opinion. They do
- not have to cite chapter and verse from some "authority" to have that
- opinion, nor should their not doing so entitle them to a flame from
- you.
-
- As I see it, the way one evaluates what is considered "good" english
- and what is not is to observe what careful speakers and writers
- *today* are doing. In that vain, "most unique" would probably still
- lose out, as would "axe" and "less items" and a whole lot of others
- that you have at one time or another have claimed to be acceptable.
-
- >>This was the reason I
- >>dropped the recent thread on "pro-active" and "impact"; I didn't
- >>feel like responding to personal abuse and snide remarks.
- >
- >Well, if I offended you I'm truly sorry. But I'd like to
- >see those remarks again. As I recall, the arguments against those
- >words involved things like "copywriters/politicians/marketing people
- >use these words so they must be bad."
-
- Such an argument, though I don't agree with it, could be developed
- into something like "Politicians use the words so much that they lose
- their force and thus should be avoided." Perfectly reasonable argument,
- though not one to which I would subscribe.
-
- >I guess I *do* respond badly to such combinations of counterfactuality,
- >illogic, and sneering; why not consider what the words mean, how they
- >are and aren't used, and why they might have arisen in the first place?
- >Time and again, someone will post a peeve about this or that word, and
- >not even bother to ask or speculate on how the word might have arisen,
- >or why it's used. I think we shouldn't skip that step.
-
- That step isn't nearly as important as that of evaluating what careful
- users of the language do today.
-
- >>If you'll excuse me, I'm going shopping for some asbestos Fruit of
- >>the Looms. With Roger around, it's best to be prepared for those
- >>below-the-belt flames, too.
- >
- >No flames intended here or elsewhere. If you have a specific posting
- >of mine you'd like to discuss, let me see it. If I was rude, you'll
- >get an apology immediately.
-
- No flames intended, eh? What a kind soul you must be. Perhaps one day
- you'll learn that you can manage to *disagree* with someone's argument,
- or with someone's *reasoning* (or even the lack thereof, if that's how
- you choose to perceive it) without resulting to uncalled-for vulgarity
- and insolence.
-
-
- --
-
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