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- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
- Subject: Re: quite unique
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.180410.20206@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:04:10 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov15.045736.14307@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov15.001709.14852@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
-
- >>Moreover, a thing can be "quite unique" wrt *one* basis for comparison,
-
- >No. wrt *one* basis for comparison, something is either unique (one of a
- >kind) or not unique. You can't get a little bit pregnant.
-
- I take it, then, that you've actually looked up "quite" and "unique"
- in a dictionary or similar? Again, I refer you to Evans and Evans,
- who address the issue directly.
-
- Now, having said that, what does "quite unique" have to do with the
- "either/or" issue? As I said (and you chose to delete), "quite
- unique" can mean: not only unique, but also unapproached. People
- don't just use the word "unique" to mean "one-of-a-kind", simply
- because such distinctions aren't made often. Teh *degree* of
- difference is also of interest in many cases.
-
- >>>>(Besides, "unique" is often used hyperbolically, to mean "very rare."
- >>>So your "quite unique" would correspond to "quite very rare".
- >>No.
-
- >Yes, "unique" is used hyperbolically to mean "very rare." But "quite unique"
- >is plain old redundant.
-
- In what way? If something differs from all other items in a class by,
- say, .0001% of some measurement, then it is unique. But if it's FAR
- different, then it is quite unique.
-
- >I'll add it to the list along with "free gift"
-
- As long as you don't care about what words mean, go ahead. "Quite unique
- has a fairly obvious meaning. Too bad your irrelevant logic-chopping
- is more important than actual standard usage.
-
- >and "10 a.m. in the morning" and "cash money" and "foot pedals."
-
- >>>If you mean rare, say rare. If you mean unique, say unique. Unless
-
- >>Why? Is hyperbole suddenly forbidden after three millenia of use?
-
- >No, there's nothing wrong with hyperbole, but unnecessary pleonasm (i.e.
- >that which is not employed for rhetorical purposes or to convey new
- >information) is sloppy.
-
- Great. Now relate that to "quite unique" as justified either by Evans
- or by AHD I.
-
- >>>your thoughts are so worthless that you can afford to be imprecise,
- >>>sloppy, in how you express them.
-
- >>Once more, the snotty approach to language.
-
- >Oh please, spare us Roger. The point is that the word "unique" has a
- >meaning, namely "one of a kind."
-
- And several other meanings, as a quick trip to the dictinoary will show.
-
- >By using the word improperly (such as
- >in "more unique" and other beastly abuses), the weight of the word is
- >lessened.
-
- Bull. By getting snippy about one meaning of a word long acknowledged
- to have several meanings -- controlled by context, of course -- you
- show that you're more interested in putting people down than in listening
- to what they're saying.
-
- Or are you telling me that you're not bright enough to figure out
- what "unique" means in a given context?
-
- Roger
-
-