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- From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
- Newsgroups: alt.romance
- Subject: Re: Getting Married: Grounds for Insanity Plea?
- Keywords: Off Your Rocker
- Message-ID: <wallich.721944713@pepper>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 20:11:53 GMT
- References: <stone.721680394@cwis> <BxsB6r.G6z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
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- Well, I've been married for over 9 years, but I won't try to validate
- my decision for the act, nor will I try to defend the 'institution'.
- You can choose to do it or not for whatever reasons *you* may choose.
- Some may have a real problem with the social stigma of having a
- long-term sexual relationship with someone they cohabitate with,
- without being married. While I personally think that's a
- narrow-minded, limited view of what a relationship can be, one is
- certainly free to do what they want, at least in some limited sense
- (and we seem to be free to do less and less with each passing
- legislative year). For some, bringing up children without the legal
- and social bond of marriage would be a problem. Actually, that might
- be a problem for me, not because of the social stigma, but because of
- the legal entanglements and biases of parents that aren't married.
-
- I do have a few comments as to some 'common misconceptions' about the
- 'right' reasons to get married. BTW, I don't think Alex and I really
- disagree, since at the end of his article he states more 'tolerant'
- beliefs, but since a lot of folks seem to use one of his 'grounds'
- all too often, I wanted to say something about it.
-
- alex@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
-
- >2) Marriage shows that you love your SO enough that you are willing
- > to commit your entire life to them, making the bond between you
- > that much stronger.
-
- I'd estimate that 50% of the otherwise rational people I know would
- list this as at least one reason for getting married. It is, of
- course, not true. The only way you can 'commit' to spend your entire
- life with someone is to actually spend your entire life with someone.
- "Promising" to spend your life with someone is not actually doing it.
-
- A "promise" made with legal and social entanglements may mean more to
- some than one made outside of such an environment, but I believe you
- should always endevour to keep your promises and should not make
- promises that you do not belive you can keep. For me, it is like the
- Quaker belief of not being 'sworn in' in court, since promising to
- tell the truth there, in a formal ritual, would imply that you do
- not *always* tell the truth.
-
- Saying "I promise to spend the rest of my life with you" is certainly
- not a promise that *I* could make and know I'd be able to keep. I
- don't think anyone who truly believes in keeping their word as a
- matter of personal honor (or personal value, for those who dislike the
- term 'honor') could make this promise, and intend to keep it.
-
- The rest of my life is a long time, and I plan to grow a lot during
- that time, as does my spouse. We may grow in such a way that "the
- bond" between us serves to stunt our growth, or acts as a wire holding
- two branches of a tree together, cutting into the bark, damaging both
- limbs.
-
- What if my spouse doesn't *want* me to spend the rest of my life with
- them? Do I then have to stick around because I swore to? I could
- promise to hold this person dear to me, as long as I live, because if
- I am willing to make a commitment to be with someone, the person I am
- with at the time will always be precious. I may end up really
- disliking the person behind the facade, or the person this person
- becomes, but the person that I know the day I make the promise I will
- always cherish. I hear those romantics crying 'technicalities!' he's
- talking about technicalities! Well, yeah, sort of. It's also very
- important for me to not promise what I cannot deliver. I also believe
- in making the *intent* clear, not just phrasing my promises so I can
- get out of them when I find it convienient. I wasn't raised a laywer
- :-).
-
-
- Promising to work together with someone during good times and bad,
- trying as hard as possible to work through problems and try to work
- and stay together to nurture our mutual growth is something else.
- Sometimes one partner may have to forgo their development to assist
- the other. This is part of the give-and-take of a real, committed
- relationship. A 'legal' promise, however, should hold no more
- authority than a 'personal' promise.
-
- >3) It gives one a personal captive audience for any and all cynicism
- > which one chooses to spew from that time forward.
-
- Well, I try to use my cat's for that. They seem to take it better,
- anyway.
-
- >The Idea behind marraige is that two people are willing to work
- >together, in order to share their lives together with some sort
- >of greater emotional attachment.
-
- [... more good stuff deleted ...]
-
- So, basically, it sounds like Alex and I actually agree with what a
- 'committed relationship' should be. Alex doesn't say he believes
- marriage to be the only place that such a relationship can florish,
- so I won't berrate him for that.
-
- Gee, I guess this is enough for now.
-
- --
- Ken Wallich
- wallich@ncd.com
- ken@wallich.com
-