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- Path: sparky!uunet!pipex!warwick!warwick!not-for-mail
- From: phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C J Tilbury)
- Newsgroups: alt.rave
- Subject: Re: Rave is dead.
- Followup-To: alt.rave
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 15:04:55 -0000
- Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
- Lines: 116
- Sender: Chris Tilbury (phuag@warwick.ac.uk)
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- References: <BxwrEy.FHy@dcs.ed.ac.uk> <1992Nov19.105241.6172@bristol.ac.uk>
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- Summary: Long Live house.
- Keywords: rave, house music, dance music, clubs.
-
- In article <1992Nov19.105241.6172@bristol.ac.uk> ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=) writes:
- >In article <BxwrEy.FHy@dcs.ed.ac.uk> djts@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Sumpter) writes:
- >>It seems strange that in the clubs all over our country, the top DJ's are
- >>not playing rave music but good old house music. Why is there no
- >>alt.music.house or something.
- >
- >Well, probably because thats a step backwards.
-
- *BARF*. Go jump in a pond. House music is an evolving art form. The stuff being
- turned out today, by the likes of the Aloof, Gypsy, Uncle bobs Burly house,
- Havana etc... has been produced by experimenting with and combining other music
- forms/styles with house music.
-
- Get it. House is here to stay for a long while yet. Its not one type of music.
- Its the great grand-daddy of whole styles of the stuff. Its the foundation
- of your "raves", and of modern (post disco) dance/club culture itself.
-
- [House music started the rave scene ( It was "Acid house" back then, when E
- was something new, and everyone was off their tits.)]
-
- >Lets face it, i couldn't find one DJ in our local clubs in Bristol who even
- >attempted to play anything past Moby - go and 'Get ready for this - 2
- >unlimited'
-
- Nice one. Pick the most abused piece of house music ( "go" is still a damn fine
- tune even now ), and the most commercialised crap you could think of. The
- fact the DJs in bristol clubs are unimaginative morons, or restrained by
- hyperactive money-grabbing club owners who think "Ebenezzer Goode" is a top
- dance tune, is more a reflection the sorry state of the club scene in bristol
- than house music.
-
- Assuming of course you mean "club", as opposed to "nightclub", in which case
- you don't really know what you're talking about.
-
- >Rave isn't dead fool, its gone back where it was best.
- >
- >Underground
-
- See my comment later.
-
- >Radio in britain wouldn't contemplate playing anything past Tetris, or a so
- >called rave track 'smart e's - trip to trumpton'
-
- Yeah. This is certainly true.
-
- >About the closest thing we get now in the charts is The Prodigy and Altern 8.
-
- [sarcastic comment about kids, speed and dummys deleted]
-
- >Which is fine by me, but don't be fooled by the charts man.
- >Its only a radio chart, people only buy what they hear.
- >And if they ain't playing it all, the charts can't be fair now can they!!!
-
- The death knell of rave (circa 88/89 flavour) was simply that it became too
- big for itself. And a certain Nanny-Facist conservative MP whose private
- members bill gave local authoritys and police obscene powers to seize
- equipment and funds, and arrest organisers.
-
- Singles charts never had, and never will have anything to do with the dance
- music scene. Why? Simple. Because clubbers/ravers/whatevers don't dance to
- perky little 3 minute pop tunes, which play well on the radio. They like
- extended 12"s, well mixed in.
-
- Thats why the record companies hate dance music. There are no real "names" to
- market. The tunes have a short shelf life. In short, an advertisers
- nightmare. If you're going to talk about charts then you should at least use
- a chart that bears some relation to the scene. Try a DJ recommended chart,
- such as the ones found each fortnight in DJ magazine, or the charts that
- pop up in mixmag every month. They are at least compiled with sales of dance
- music records, be they 7", 12" or EP.
-
- >I don't beleive in the charts. I never have.
- >
- >RAVE IS NOT DEAD, AND NO WAY IS HARDCORE EVER GONNA DIE.
-
- And the world will go on forever and ever amen. Nothing else has an indefinite
- right to live, so why should Hardcore be any different.
-
- >If rave is dead, why are 60,000 people going to exeter in 2 weeks time??
-
- Above, you said that rave has gone back underground. 60,000 people is an
- UNDERGROUND event?!?!?!? Yeah, thats REAL underground. I'm sure the police
- don't have a CLUE that 60,000 e-d up ravers resplendant with whistles and
- bobble hats, vicks vapour rub in tow, are turning up in exeter in 2 weeks.
-
- Or if they didn't, they do now. :-)
-
- In 88/89 underground meant turning up in a car park at a motorway service
- station at around 12pm, waiting for a phone call on a public phone box, or
- listening to a pirate radio station for the exact location of the rave to be
- announced. It meant police setting up road blocks as soon as they knew, to
- try (and mostly fail) to stop the ravers arriving.
-
- You had to make an effort to go to a rave back then.
-
- Not phone some credit card hotline (All major cards accepted dontcha know!)
- order your ticket for 20 quid, and then jump on the train.
-
- >Alot of people for something that is dead???
-
- No, alot of people for something that is _different_. Most raves these days
- bear little relation to the raves of 88/89, mainly due to the above mentioned
- private members bill.
-
- Keep the faith,
-
-
- Chris.
-
-
- DISCLAIMER : There are underground raves going on in the UK at the moment.
- They're organised by travellers, mobile sound systems like
- spiral tribe, and the like. You won't find them advertised in
- the likes of MixMag. Thats why they're underground.
-
-
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