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- From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
- Subject: Re: Gays in the military
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.174616.28242@seq.uncwil.edu>
- Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
- References: <4jjc3vv@Unify.Com> <1992Nov19.153910.29803@seq.uncwil.edu> <1992Nov22.232716.5624@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:46:16 GMT
- Lines: 72
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- thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
-
- >>>Q. #1 What is one of the most expensive illnesses? AIDS!
- >>>Q. #2 What lifestyle is one (if not the highest) highest risk category for AIDS? Gays
-
- >Then why is the army kicking out lesbians?
-
- The only lesbians who are getting kicked out are the ones who can no
- longer lie about it and are coming out of the closet, and as a result,
- being drummed out of the military, some after many years of distinguished
- service.
-
- And lesbians as a group are less likely to get AIDS than heterosexuals.
-
- >>Sorry, but your argument fails with the second question. By far, the
- >>heterosexual community are now more at risk than gays are. AIDs is
- >>spreading in the heterosexual community now much faster than it is
- >>through the gay community.
-
- >This is false. Gay men are still the largest group of HIV+ and AIDS victims.
-
- You mave misread my point. Yes, CURRENT numbers are more gay men with
- AIDS than any other "group". But none of these would be allowed in the
- military since all recruits are tested. The original comment inthis
- thread was that since gays are higher at risk from contracting aids
- then the military is saving potential health care costs. But the numbers
- are that most NEW cases of aids are in the heterosexual community.
-
- >That's in raw numbers, not just rate. Once you count in rate, gay men are
- >dozens of times at more risk. That's just in rate, not in sexual practices.
-
- That doesn't agree with numbers I've seen in the media.
-
- >Once you count in that anal sex is much more likely to cause HIV infection
- >than vaginal sex, gay men are hundreds of times at more risk. That doesn't
- >include the fact that women are at least seventeen times less likely to
- >transmit HIV during sex than men. Once you count that in, gay men are at
- >thousands of times more risk.
-
- You are skewing the circumstances. Gay men are not the only people who
- engage in anal sex. Women are less likely to transmit aids to a man since
- there is less likelyhood of getting the fluids absorbed though the urethrea.
-
-
- >Check the CDC numbers, or the studies in JAMA.
-
- How 'bout quoting some of them. The latest reports I saw indicated that
- the number of NEW CASES is higher in the heterosexual community than the
- gay community.
-
- >>It is just as likely that a heterosexual
- >>sailor gets AIDS from a one night stand as it is for a homosexual
- >>sailor to get it.
-
- >Your source for this astonishing assertion? Or do you assume that the
- >heterosexual is sharing needles with an IV-drug user during his one night
- >stand? 99% of monogamous men don't contract AIDS from their HIV+
- >heterosexual lovers, despite hundreds of repeated contacts, and you're
- >expecting us to believe that a one-night stand in a population with a far
- >lower infection rate is likely to result in AIDS?
-
- I said nothing of UV drug users. And I said nothing of monogomay either.
- I don't know if you are a vetern or not, but monogamy is the furtherest
- thing from a sailor's mind when he goes on liberty. Couple that to the fact
- that gay men are much more conscious of the AIDS situation and are more
- likely to use "safe sex" practices.
-
- --
- Zack Sessions
- sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
- University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
- "Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
-