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- From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
- Subject: Re: The Berdiche
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.133731.26886@news.duc.auburn.edu>
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- References: <By05yK.EKz@cscns.com>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:37:31 GMT
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- In article EKz@cscns.com, cherokee@cscns.com (Kangi Taku Wakan) writes:
- > Among our people, before we were conquered by the Europeans, gay men held
- > a special status, as it was thought that they possessed very powerful
- > medicine. Among the Sioux, the clan's berdiche, or "effiminate man" (I
- > can't remember the Lakota word, but I'll post it as soon as it comes back) was
- > the official "child-namer" of the clan, and many sacred dances were held
- > to honor them. Any affront to one of them at one of these dances brought
- > down instant reprisal from the warriors present. Needless to say, you
- > didn't make the berdiche mad.
- >
- > This tolerance for gay people (I'm not sure about the number of
- > pre-Contact lesbians, but there are stories of female warriors) seems to
- > be yet another casualty of the White man's onslaught against our culture.
- > Too few young people know these things, and perhaps do not want to
- > learn because such beliefs are diametrically opposed to the prevalent
- > belief/"value" system in which we live.
- >
- > Perhaps I cannot fully understand what it is to be gay, but I can "live and
- > let live". This is the way the Creator would want it to be.
- >
- > Just my 2 cents' worth.
- >
- > Kangi Taku Wakan
- > cherokee@cscns.com
- >
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- Thank you for sharing that....I have never heard of a culture that was that accepting!
- It is a refreshing view of the world.
-
- It is odd that you post "today I mourn" today, as I am on my way to Montgomery for a
- funeral. My friends and I lost a very special person this week and I can only say
- that you are never prepared for the loss, even when you are expacting it.
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- James M. Frank of Lawerenceville, GA died Tuesday Nov.17, 1992. He is survived by his
- life partner Greg S. Miller, his parents, five brothers one sister, and countless
- friends. Jim, we will miss you and always remember you loving nature and tireless
- friendship.
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- J.Bibb
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