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- From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
- Subject: Re: PDP ftp archive (ENOUGH ALREADY)
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- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.205701.3725@news.uiowa.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:57:01 GMT
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- From article <1992Nov23.185607.15965@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
- by alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson):
- >
- > Note the number of attribution arrows. *I* was objecting to calling it an
- > upgrade. The *PDP-8 FAQ* calls it an upgrade.
-
- All right, I'll call it a revival! Both you and CJL seem to want detailed
- history, when the FAQ is trying to give a 1 line summary of each machine!
- It's hard to say much in one line.
-
- Far more significant, though, is the question about the PDP-10's
- relationship to the PDP-3. In one of the DEC books on computer
- architecture, it is stated that one PDP-3 was built, as a 36 bit machine.
- Was the PDP-3 the real ancestor of the DECSYSTEM-20? Specifically, how
- much (user level) code from the PDP-3 would run on the PDP-10. Should
- I call the -3 as an ancestor, or was it an unrelated grope into the
- world of 36 bits?
-
- >>>
- >>> The DEC-20 is the outgrowth of a smart decision by DEC: License the
- >>
- >>But the -20 *is* a -10. What's the difference between a KL-10 and the
- >
- > There are microcode differences between a DEC-20 and a Dec-10--the JSYS
-
- Again, I could put an entire section on the PDP-10/DECSYSTEM-10/DECSYSTEM-20
- in the PDP-8 FAQ, but I don't think the context is right. I believe that
- both the PDP-10 and PDP-11 are worthy of similar FAQ files, and in the
- PDP-10 FAQ file (which I will not write) you're welcome to document the
- wonderful variants of that machine to your heart's content.
-
- But, the differences between a PDP-10 and a DECSYSTEM-20 sound like they're
- far less significant than the differences between a PDP-11/20 and
- a PDP-11/70. Clearly, DEC was not consistant in their decisions to rename
- or renumber machines. Sometimes, they included great ranges of variation
- for one machine, and other times, they seem to have renumbered fairly
- arbitrarily.
-
- In the same vein, whether the PDP-8 was made of discrete transistors or
- TTL integrated circuits, and whether it used a negative I/O bus or an
- internal omnibus for most peripheral interfaces, it was called a PDP-8,
- but when the PDP-9 was rebuilt in TTL with a UNIBUS for I/O, it became the
- PDP-15. Why renumber in one case and not the other? Beats me.
-
- Doug Jones
- jones@cs.uiowa.edu
-