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- From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton)
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- Subject: Re: MacKinnon claims she Suffers Snuff Harassment
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- Date: 22 Nov 92 23:48:10 GMT
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- "Starbuck" claims
- > Snuff films do exist indeed. They exist in many video rental stores!
- > They are hidden in the guise of documentaries. The titles are "Faces
- > of Death I, II, .." On the cover jacket each tells that the video
- > contains scenes of actual murders, executions, ect.
-
- You were wrong last time you made this absurd claim, and you are equally
- wrong now. The mere act of recording a death on film does not make
- a "snuff" film. Not that The Faces of Death series has any scenes of murders.
- They comprise simple fictional entertainment of a not-particularly
- sophisticated kind.
-
- As far as the most strenuous efforts of the authorities have been able
- to tell, snuff films are just an urban legend.
- Paul Lanning, the FBI's chief researcher into child pornography was quoted
- by "The Times" of London:
-
- "In 20 years I have not seen any hard evidence that they have
- commercially produced sexually explicit films of murders for the
- gratification of other people. Simulated snuff movies using
- special effects are so realistic there is no point in risking life
- in jail."
-
- By the implicit definition of the authorities, a snuff film is one in which
- the film is the *purpose* of (rather than incidental to) the murder and with
- some intent of commercial distribution (i.e. if they ran out of film, the
- murder would be postponed until someone could run down to the 7-11 & get more).
-
- Everyone accepts that snuff movies *could* exist, because people are evil
- enough - this is not in dispute; the point is that, despite the most strenuous
- searches, no examples have yet come to light. Until someone shows
- evidence of their existence, snuff films are in the same category as UFO's,
- the Loch Ness monster, and Bruce Willis's hair -- i.e. "believed false."
-
- And to "starbuck" in particular -- it only damages your credibility to
- rehash your old discredited arguments. Come back when you have some proof
- of the existence of a snuff film, and you will be feted with a hero's
- welcome (for finding something that no police force in the world has yet
- been known to uncover).
-
- Trelford Pinkerton
-
- --
- "Call me Ishmael" Again and again I left a pleading message on the Captain's
- answering machine. But he never did return my call, so I gave up whaling
- and became a computer programmer. [Vol 1, "Moby Frob"]
-