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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: Sexist and 50/50 (Was: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Date: 22 Nov 92 10:44:04
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Nov22104404@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Nov20.233240.17541@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In-reply-to: payner@netcom.com's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:44:36 GMT
-
- In article <1992Nov22.044436.7341@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov21.211111.24218@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>>mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >>>I addressed the question, 'is -feminism- about double standards' in response
- >>>to your claim that -sexism- is about double standards. It would seem this
- >>>is a distinction which you can't figure out how to flame or denigrate, so
- >>>you edit it out and use ad-hominum.
- >>You seemed to argue "some feminists seem to think feminism is about
- >>double-standards, while others don't." So? What's the point? Is there
- >>something relevant or contentious there?
-
- >I said that it may be true that sexism is about double standards, but not
- >all feminists view sexism this way.
-
- *Most* of the feminist I have talked to or heard of *do* view sexism as
- being about double standards. Is your argument that, because you
- believe most feminists are in favor of double standards (against men),
- you do not believe that they think this is sexist? Just because someone
- believes that "sexism is about double standards" does not mean that they
- are therefore against all double standards. I think that it would make
- more sense if they were, but it certainly does not have to follow.
-
- >And some feminists are for double standards
- >(when they are in their favor), and some are against them all. But I do
- >not think it would be valid to say that feminists are against double
- >standards, lest we be guilty of generalizing from a few examples.
-
- Who has said this? All I see rini saying (going back 4-5 articles) is
- that sexism is about double standards. You seem to agree with this, but
- then take the opportunity to accuse most feminists of being sexist, in
- favor of double standards, etc. Speaking of "generalizing from a few
- examples," what do you call:
-
- >BTW, the last two women I talked with on this issue fell into the camp
- >which allowed sexism against males. They had a realistic concern for
- >fixing their problems, but expressed no concern for doing the same damage
- >they objected too.
-
- Wow, a whopping two examples, of "women," not even "feminists." Well,
- heck, *I'm* convinced now that all feminists are sexist, discriminatory
- weilders of double standards.
-
- So, was your whole point to attack feminism (yet again)? If you want to
- prove that most feminists are in favor of double standards, instead of
- hauling out two women (why do you choose to hang around with these
- people, anyway? I wouldn't stick around people who felt that it was
- okay to discriminate against me.) who may or may not be feminists, how
- about doing a general survey of feminist writings, coming back with a
- bibliography and a percentage of those writings which are in favor of
- double standards?
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
- ~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
- discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
- of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
-