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- From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: sex in the good ol' days
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.202344.25055@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 20:23:44 GMT
- References: <1992Nov15.182653.10521@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov16.172842.16463@netcom.com>
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- sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
-
- > Dear Rini, have you actually *seen* proof that this was written in
- > 1894?
-
- Darling Robert, no I haven't.
-
- > Or is it a modern, Politically Correct fraud,
- > cooked up to delight the Faithful and confound the Enemy, like the
- > fraudulent "Speech of Cheif Seattle" that is so widsepread in the
- > ecology movement?
-
- Gosh, I don't know. It's been around the net for a while. I picked
- it up from alt.sex, where it was posted by a man whose posts are
- generally of the highest quality. It didn't seem absurd enough for
- me to question it. After all, there was a religiously inspired
- celibacy movement at that time in our country.
-
- Granted, my access to primary historical documents is not great, but
- I do know of two histories (one a book and the other a recent journal
- article) which quote documents that are not dissimilar to the one
- I posted here. (It's true -- I generally have to accept that the
- historians did not make up their sources.) I can post the titles
- of these secondary sources if you like.
-
- > Rini, this is NOT 19th-century language. This hoax is just another
- > example of feminist Dirty Tricks.
-
- Now now -- if it was feminist Dirty Tricks, it would've been the MINISTER
- speaking, not the minister's WIFE, right? :-)
-
- Besides -- my grandmother (who is still alive) was born the year that
- this peice was supposed to have been written. It's not *that* old.
- (We have plenty of writting in my family that has been preserved from
- that time and it doesn't come across as Shakespearean or anything.
- Even the turn of the century Quaker pamphlets I have at home do not
- sound foreign, and you know that Quakers are weird about language,
- saying "thee" and "thou" and all.)
-
- But I'm no expert judge. Maybe Kayembee will post some quotes from the
- material he has? We could compare it then. Will he be so generous?
-
- rini
-
- - So where did the Cheif Seattle quote come from?
-