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- From: kelsey@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey)
- Subject: On Olorin (was Re: rebirth, Farmer Giles)
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:37:07 GMT
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- In article <By5nto.3In@rice.edu>, markg@mistral.rice.edu (Mark Gordon ) writes:
- |> That is Farmer Giles of Ham.
- |>
- |> I am not sure that "rebirth" is the best way to describe the change from Gandalf
- |> the Grey to Gandalf the White. As a Maia, Gandalf does not exactly die but
- |> returns to Valinor where Manwe instills him with new powers, strengths and, of
- |> course duties. Thus, I prefer "reinvigoration" or "transformation".
- |> Metamorphisis is even less appropriate because he was a maia before and after
- |> the change. Olorin's (Gandalf's) return to Valinor is described either in
- |> "Of Wizards", UNFINISHED TALES or in LETTERS. I'll check if interested.
-
- It's not in _Unfinished_Tales_, I just reread that a month or so ago and there
- was no explication of Gandalf's fate after "death". I've not yet found
- _Letters_of_J.R.R._Tolkien_, so it might well be there.
- -- Mike Kelsey
- |>
- |> Anyway this is a great newsgroup. Definitely a need for Tolkien discussions.
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- [ My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government ]
- "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off
- the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the darkness
- near the Tannhauser Gate. All these memories will be lost in time, like
- tears in the rain." -- Roy Batty
-
- Hmmm. Maybe I should go back to my old .sig:
-
- "He who breaks a thing to see what it is has left the path of wisdom."
- Pretty good for a high energy physicist, eh?
-