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- From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
- Subject: Re: What is a Conservative?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.231133.19286@cs.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 23:11:33 GMT
- References: <1992Nov13.212811.5278@anasazi.com> <1992Nov15.162122.19319@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <gf23l3G00WAxM33GN=@andrew.cmu.edu>
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- In article <gf23l3G00WAxM33GN=@andrew.cmu.edu> ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith) writes:
- >Excerpts from netnews.alt.fan.rush-limbaugh: 15-Nov-92 Re: What is a
- >Conservative? Howard Black@ux1.cts.eiu (1496)
- >
- >> In article <1992Nov13.212811.5278@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike
- >> Best) writes:
- >
- >> >Drugs? I've been there and I don't agree with you.
- >
- >> Fine. You don't agree. However, this is irrelevant, since an
- >> individual's use of drugs is their business, and to encroach on that
- >> freedom is anti-conservative. I have never understood the fervor with
- >> which conservatives pursue the fictitious War on Drugs (tm), when I thought
- >> that they stood for less government intrusion into people's lives.
- >
- >You're confusing conservative with libertarian. An individual has
- >certain responsibilities to society under conservatism. The use of
- >drugs impairs their ability keep those obligations and therefore places
- >a burden on society.
-
- As anecdotal evidence, I have met _many_ people who have occasionally
- used recreational drugs who are of, if anything, above-average productivity.
- The stereotype of drug users as slothful and unable to provide for them-
- selves is a holdover from the days when blacks and Hispanics were stereo-
- typed as shiftless and lazy and likely to rape and kill under the influ-
- ence of illegal drugs (and people persist in seeing the Typical Drug User
- as a criminal minority person, despite statistics that show that most drug
- users are white and reasonably well-off).
-
- >Therefore, the war on drugs is perfectly in line with conservatism.
-
- Would you please list the "responsibilities to society" that people would
- have under an ideal conservative government? Would it be permissible for
- a citizen to, say, live in a cabin in the wilderness, contributing little
- to the GDP but requiring little in terms of government services (assume
- this person is painting or writing a book, for example)? If said person
- was not causing any burden on the system by using recreational drugs (which
- he/she presumably grew him/herself), what is conservatism's reason for
- intruding on that person's lifestyle? Are we all to be conscripted into
- a Perot-style "economic war" against the evil Japanese and Germans? If
- conservatives believe that a free, unregulated market is the most efficient
- way to run the economy, who are they to force people to be more productive?
- Won't the natural forces of greed, er, uh, competition, cause people to
- eschew drugs due to their damaging effects on productivity?
-
- If you're going to legislate against things that (are alleged to) diminish
- productivity, why not laws against masturbation (lost work time), alcohol
- (proven productivity losses and health problems), watching TV (more lost
- time), etc.? Isn't the _real_ agenda behind the WoD a moral crusade rather
- than anything based in logic? If not, why don't conservatives go after
- Phillip Morris, Miller Brewing, etc., first, since vast numbers of deaths
- are provably attributable to these corporations' products? Last I heard,
- death caused a severe inability to meet one's "responsibilities to society."
-
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