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- Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
- Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 12:05:38 PST
- From: <DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
- Message-ID: <92320.120538DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
- Subject: Re: the real Reagan record
- References: <92317.005150KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <BxLGut.7Kv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- <92317.211208KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <BxrHru.JCs@math.uwaterloo.ca>
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- In article <BxrHru.JCs@math.uwaterloo.ca>, shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca
- (Jeffrey Shallit) says:
- >
- >In article <92317.211208KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick
- ><KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
- >>
- >>The truth is,
- >>people in -all- income brackets, as a whole, did better in the 80s because
- >>of supply-side economics.
- >
- >Not according to Kevin Phillips, the *conservative* political commentator.
- >His book, The Politics of Rich and Poor, is a devastating critique of
- >the Reagan-Bush economic legacy. Table I, on page 17, reveals that
- >average family income, in *constant dollars*, *decreased* for the bottom
- >8 of the ten deciles from 1977 to 1988. Only for the top 10% of Americans
- >was there any significant increase, and that increase was highly
- >concentrated in the top 1%.
- >
- >Jeff Shallit
-
- Look, I'm as ready as anyone to bash the heads of state for the last n
- years(where n is a large number), but if you wish me to agree that this
- statistic in anyway reflects the performance of the economy, especially
- how the performance of the economy affected people with various income
- levels differentially, under what we are assuming is the ReaganBush
- Philosophy(tm), then you're out to lunch. From 1977-1980, inclusive,
- Jimmy Carter was in office! At the very least, I would think we would
- agree that Carter had a different philosophy in this regard than Reagan.
- This is very likely a good example of lying with statistics. What we
- really need to address the issue properly is the same statistic for the
- period 1982-19<latest available>. This number will demonstrate
- conclusively the validity of this sort of argument(though I would argue
- that more complete statistics, including a breakdown by quintile or
- decile would be preferable). Personally, though, I don't *care* if the
- rich got richer, so long as everyone gained in real terms. My suspicion
- is that the perceived failure(whether real or not) of so-called
- trickle-down economics is due largely to the fact that we financed it
- by running up the debt, thus sucking much of the money which should
- have financed investment in productive jobs at low overhead(i.e., more
- goods/jobs/services per dollar invested) into $600 toilet seats,
- (what I perceive to be needless) research into SDI, and other weapons
- development. It was a wasted opportunity, and now we will pay for it.
- When Reagan took office, the US debt was (just) under $1T, and increasing
- at a rate of 5-10%/year. Now it's $4T, and increasing at 10%/year. I
- don't know by how much the GNP grew, but I suspect it wasn't 300%.
-
- What clearly happened was that the ReaganBush administrations didn't
- believe in supply-side economics, because if they did, they didn't
- practice it. It's kind of like believing in safe sex, but dying of AIDS
- because you couldn't be bothered to use a condom. *We* may get lucky,
- though. We might be able to bail ourselves out of it. But I'm not
- holding my breath.
-
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- Roo-Dog Rip is: <>SLAC, Stanford, the DOE and the
- Derrell Durrett <>University of Colorado neither claim
- D_DURRETT@COLOPHYS.BITNET <>responsibility nor accept liability
- D_DURRETT%KAOS@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU <>for my opinions. Gee- what a surprise.
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