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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:07:28 -0500
- From: Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Subject: Re: Tsui Hark filmography?
- In-Reply-To: <1992Nov17.173602.14837@news2.cis.umn.edu>
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- >1. According to the Incredibly Strange Filmshow segment on Tsui, it is
- >generally accepted that Tsui takes a keen interest in anything that
- >bears his name.
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- >2. After people
- >have worked for Hark, they do seem to change a bit.
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- >3. They also claim that many of the films that he produces,
- >bear more of a resemblance to Hark films than the films done previously
- >by the directors. Compare the early John Woo films to the ones that
- >Hark produced and you get a good idea of what they mean.
-
-
- Undoubtedly 1 & 2 are true. I would be surprised if Tsui (or anybody)
- didn't take a "keen interest" in anything that bore his name. I'm sure
- that working with a master like Tsui would influence your work. The
- third claim is a bit subjective and I'm not sure how much data we have
- to support it. (John Woo is the only case -- Ching Siu Tung has always
- been associated with Hark). Woo's budgets skyrocketed after the
- tremendous success of A BETTER TOMORROW, and this may have a lot to do
- with his stylistic evolution.
-
- Nonetheless, I think people generally like Tsui Hark for being Ching Siu
- Tung -- whose films (A CHINESE GHOST STORY, SWORDSMAN II) are apparently
- the paradigmatic Tsui films. Maybe I've seen the wrong Tsui Hark
- (directed) films, but his style seems very different than either
- Ching's or Woo's. (Compare A BETTER TOMORROW III with THE KILLER). Not
- only his style but his tone (lighter than either Ching or Woo) and the
- themes he chooses to explore (usually related to modern Chinese history)
- differ from his fellows. I cannot imagine Woo or Ching making SHANGHAI
- BLUES, Tsui or Ching making HARDBOILED, or Woo or Tsui making A CHINESE
- GHOST STORY. In fact, when I first saw CHINESE GHOST STORY III I
- understood that Tsui had directed it and I was surprised because it
- seemed so much like one of Ching's films. It turned out, in fact, that
- it was by Ching.
-
- I don't want to suggest that there is a huge gulf between these artists.
- However, they are auteurs whose work shows much of their own
- personality influenced by their mentors and associates.
-
- Incidentally, the fact that The Incredibly Strange Filmshow said
- something doesn't mean anything to me. I've seen lots of these films, I
- think about them a lot, and I'm sure I have at least as great an ability
- to make such evaluations as the program's researchers. Likewise, why
- should you cite them? Look at the films (properly credited) and think
- about them. If you do so and still doubt my claim then lets talk about
- it.
-
- daniel
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