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- From: hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden)
- Subject: re: views on consciousness
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.060053.21989@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
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- Organization: University of Sydney, EE Dept.
- References: <serb.157@polisci.umn.edu>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:00:53 GMT
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- In article <serb.157@polisci.umn.edu>, serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
- |> To that extent there may
- |> be a wholly unperceived world out there, which we arrogantly dismiss since
- |> we don't perceive it. (well, maybe WE don't arrogantly dismiss it, but many
- |> in our society do).
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- As I read your words, I attribute to them a meaning. But this meaning, and my
- understanding of it, can't be touched, heard, tasted, seen, or smelt. You
- can't point to it. There may be all sorts of things you could point to that
- are happening in my brain, but they aren't the meaning any more than the
- patterns of light and dark on my terminal are. The meaning has no physical
- existence - only representations, as a photo of a dog represents a dog, but is
- not a dog.
-
- Human beings live in a world of meanings, represented by symbols. Many (all?)
- of those meanings have no existence apart from human beings, and they have no
- physical existence. Do you understand that sqrt(9) = 3? If so, prove it -
- point to the understanding. I don't want secondary evidence such as "But
- accepting that sqrt(9)=3 works when I use it in daily life." Show me the thing
- that is your understanding, such that I can observe it with the five senses.
-
- Nevertheless, meanings and understandings exist because I can observe them.
- What with, who knows? But if I observe them and everybody else does to,
- then they must exist, because that's how existence is defined.
-
- The world human beings live in is defined by what they accept as real; and
- what they accept as real is purely relative - a majority view, which is never
- static. What is today's fanaticism is tomorrow's heresy. Worldviews have come
- and gone, and will for a long time yet.
-
- To get back to your point - we live in a non-physical world of meanings which
- transcends and includes their physical representations and other objects.
- Somehow the meanings "exist" in consciousness. That's my view (for the moment
- :-) ).
-
- |> Gee, I could ramble about this for hours
-
- Looks like I could, too :-).
-
- --
- Hugh Garsden
- University of Sydney
- hughg@ee.su.oz.au
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