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- From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.dreams
- Subject: Re: [alt.dreams] Re: McElwaine's postings (was Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, and Dreams)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.151436.7966@gnosys.svle.ma.us>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 15:14:36 GMT
- References: <1992Nov16.141707.12807@eff.org> <1992Nov16.144854.9296@ms.uky.edu>
- Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
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- [ I am directing followups to alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk, since even this
- discussion is *not* appropriate for alt.dreams. However, I'd like those
- who became aware of the issue to be aware of where they can go to continue
- the discussion. --Gary ]
-
- In <1992Nov16.144854.9296@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
-
- > Um, his privileges aren't being revoked yet; see my comments below.
-
- > ...
- > I suggest that we take a step back and look at the entire picture.
-
- > Mr. McElwaine has been sending materials to several (many?) electronic
- > mailing lists and bulletin boards. These materials seem to have little
- > in common with the ongoing discussions on those lists/boards/groups. I
- > would suggest that the mere existence of a mailing list does NOT imply
- > that it may be used as a forum for unlimited free expression...
-
- I find myself on both sides of the issue. On the one hand, I am annoyed
- to find some of the things McElwaine has been posting to some newsgroups
- I frequent which have very little, if anything, to do with the subject
- matter of the newsgroup. Just as bad, Robert has made no attempt to even
- respond to requests that he attempt to make a connection, even if in the
- form of some introduction which provides his own opinion. He seems to be
- in the business of just plastering prefabricated electronic tracts on his
- favorite subjects hither and yon. I strenuously object to this kind of
- activity.
-
- But let's look at the non-electronic analogue - it seems to be someting
- like notices posted on telephone poles, the way I recall they are in
- the fair town of Berkeley, California, where I was once a student. One
- can choose to read the stuff or not. I was never annoyed by such things,
- and would sometimes stop to read some particular notice that caught my
- eye.
-
- However, I would have objected had such things been bound into my text-
- books, in the same way that I object to commercials in TV programs, which
- is why I never watch commercial TV except for Star Trek, which I tape, so
- I can zap the suckers when I watch the show later. I have similar feel-
- ings about the commercial announcements broadcast on the station platform
- electronic displays on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit), so that when one
- wants to get information about which train is approaching, it may be
- necessary to read an ad. Some people don't mind. I do. I feel that a
- public service - paid for by taxes (as is Internet, remember), should not
- carry commercial announcements. Maybe I'm straying a little bit away from
- the discussion about McElwaine here - but I think he is selling something,
- in a way; he's acting as an agent for a quasi-religious society, among
- other things, perhaps. What he's peddling are prefabricated ideas, which
- makes them a lot like commercials. They represent services sold at a
- price. (I would not feel the same way if someone were to talk about some
- group, like Eckankar, if the person were talking about that organization
- in an appropriate forum, using his or her own words, with an occasional
- quote from some piece of literature published by the organization. I
- feel that such activity is perfectly legitimate.)
-
- On the other hand, I believe in the principle of "let the punishment
- fit the crime," and wonder whether the device of revoking network
- privileges is an appropriate gesture to rid ourselves of the bother that
- such things might represent. Or is there some other principle at stake
- here - does what McElwaine is doing really represent a misuse of his
- Internet account?
-
- I could spend more time developing an argument on either side, but I
- don't have the time right now. I just wanted to throw out a few ideas
- at present. What do others feel?
-
- Gary
- --
- Gary S. Trujillo gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
- Somerville, Massachusetts {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
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