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- From: morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Subject: Mailing list etiquette/responsibilities, was Re: McElwaine's
- postings
- References: <1992Nov16.141707.12807@eff.org>
- <1992Nov16.144854.9296@ms.uky.edu>
- <1992Nov17.034036.17107@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.85044.6983@ms.uky.edu>
- Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center
- Sender: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:50:44 GMT
- Lines: 95
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- entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu wrote:
- >I hear your excellent points clearly. Robert McElwaine is a bother/
- >nuisance. In response to my email of support to him, he sent me
- >an ephamplet. But is he any more than that? Is he a bigger bother
- >than a groan and a quick stab at the 'n' key? (And surely he is
- >not alone on the net in engendering that reaction.)
-
- >What would happen if he were ignored rather than fussed over?
-
-
- A few quick points about email and mailing lists:
-
- - (the obvious, but oft-forgotten point) Many sites still pay
- for their feeds. I have several subscribers whose sole mail
- feed comes through a long-distance phone line. Those people
- are paying enough for the email they want; why should they be
- forced to pay for material they don't want to see?
-
- - Most mailing lists are dedicated to a particular topic; very
- few lists are true 'unlimited expression' fora. I can think
- of several lists which approach 'unlimited' status, but I would
- think that subscribers of those lists know what to expect.
-
- - Since most lists are dedicated to a particular topic, I believe
- that the moderator/maintainer of the list has an obligation to
- keep the discussion "on course". Actions under this umbrella
- might include a gentle nudge ("This really doesn't belong here"),
- removal of messages (moderated lists do this all the time), or
- even removal of users from the list.
-
- - Mailing lists are a distribution-driven mechanism, not a receipt-
- driven mechanism; hence, anyone may send material to a mailing list.
- (There are exceptions; some list software will only allow submis-
- sions by subscribers.) Given this openness, some actions are out-
- side the purview of the maintainer/moderator. In those cases, it
- is (IMHO) proper for the list maintainer to request assistance from
- sysadmins to correct/eliminate problems.
-
- - Most mailers do not support the notion of a "killfile". Therefore,
- most mail readers have to wade through all of it....
-
- To answer your question directly, here are the results of "just ignoring"
- problems such as McElwaine's postings:
-
- - If the list is moderated, the moderator still has to wade
- through (or at least examine) each submission. If the list
- is unmoderated, EVERYONE will have to wade through it. That
- adds up to quite a bit of time.
-
- - Some machines will still burn up CPU/network time transmitting
- the stuff. I believe that some of our European neighbors still
- pay for network traffic on a per-packet basis; I don't think they
- want to pay for this stuff on an unrelated mailing list.
-
- (You may think that this is negligible, but I think differently.
- My list has subscribers in Korea and Singapore; the quality of
- the network links to those countries often requires three or
- four attempts to deliver a single message. Multiply that by
- X number of unrelated messages, and that represents a CHUNK
- of CPU time).
-
- - Some sites still get their email feeds over phone lines. The
- cost issue is non-negligible; they're paying real money (as
- opposed to network sites that burn "funny money" with NNTP).
-
- - Some mailing lists are automatically archived; that implies that
- sites will burn up resources in long-term storage of this unrelated
- crud.
-
- - Mailing lists with significant amounts of unrelated crud tend to
- lose subscribers; as a result, the "knowledge base" of the list
- deteriorates. This is especially sad in a technical list.
-
- You may think that each of these is "a minor problem", and I might even
- agree with you; when taken together, however, their collective impact on
- a list can be devastating.
-
- >Back to my first point: if I wanted to deprive a person of a freedom,
- >the first thing I would try is to tell him it was a privilege, not
- >a right.
-
- The "right of free speech" is NOT the "right to use someone else's soapbox".
- If this fellow would like to start his own mailing list (or moderated news-
- group, for that matter), more power to him; however, the assertion that any
- given forum is automatically a suitable place for free expression is neither
- proper nor defensible (in my opinion). The counterargument to such an asser-
- tion is found in the "limited public forum" doctrine endorsed by the US
- Supreme Court.
-
- --Wes
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