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- From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
- Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
- Message-ID: <By3oDx.765@world.std.com>
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- References: <Bxs1Iw.n0A@world.std.com> <1992Nov19.050206.2958@deeptht.armory.com> <1992Nov20.135823.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> <Bxzw8r.9x0@ncifcrf.gov>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:27:32 GMT
- Lines: 62
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- masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov20.135823.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
- >>rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
- >>> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
-
- >>>>Japanese, as any Japanese-surnamed individual ought to know, are
- >>>>particularly thin-skinned about criticism, especially when it comes
- >>>>from gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).
-
- >>> Pretty inferior I guess we are, huh? They bomb Pearl, we're gaijin. We
- >>> blow a couple cities to hell and flame Tokyo and Yokohama and a half
- >>> dozen others and we're still gaijin.
-
- >> I believe 'gaijin' has a meaning more similar to "foreigners" or
- >>"Western barbarians" and carries the overtones of racial inferiority in that
- >>it reflects any racist attitudes that the speaker holds.
- >> To be called a "gaijin" by a friend would not be an insult.
-
- > Here we go again.
-
- > I really cannot help feeling a smell of conspiracy. Someone must be
- >teaching innocent "gaijin-san-tachi" that "gaijin" is an offensive
- >word. Someone must be producing some scenario that friendly "gaijin" and
- >hospitable Japanese end up hating each other.
-
- > Assuming that these "gaijin" netters represent an average population of
- >"gaijin," I wonder how many "gaijin" already believe that "gaijin"
- >is an insult.
-
- > Assuming that these "gaijin" netters have never learned Japanese,
- >I wonder where they got that "gaijin" story. Is it time to take a poll?
-
- >"Where did you learn that "gaijin" is a derogatory word?"
-
- > Thank god! Webster's dictionary still doesn't have "gaijin."
- >
- >[An interesting conversation deleted.]
-
- >> (Please forgive me for crossposting the last para. to soc.japan)
-
- > No problem. You should have come to s.c.japan a couple of days
- >earlier to look at the "gaijin" flame war... 8-).
-
- >--Michiaki
-
- Again we see the slippery Japanese language in action. In fact, there
- aren't many words in Japanese that can be pinned down as deliberately
- insulting the way American swear words are. My point was not to flame the
- word "gaijin" itself, but the attitude behind it. I am a "hakujin", which
- is another semi-derogatory word. My Japanese friends use the word
- "gaikokujin" (person from another country) to spare my feelings, where a
- simple "gaijin" might seem to them impolite. It's as if I were to call
- someone a foreigner in English. The delivery would be everything. The word
- can be insulting or impartial. But my real point is that the Japanese do
- regard everyone outside their group (however that group may be defined at
- the moment) as in some sense "gaijin" or "outside people."
- --
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