NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #16/NN_1992_16.iso/spool/talk/rape/1880

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From: [e-mail] (Tim Sheehan)
Subject: Re: Homosepciesexist fantasies.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:27:04 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
 > That is correct, you are not gay. You are bisexual. It doesn't matter if you
 > haven't had such experiences willfully.
 >
 > A teenage male who fantasies about sex with women all day long, but has never
 > even kissed one, is heterosexual. A teenage female who fantasizes about nothing
 > but sex with another woman (women) is homosexual.
 >
 > A man who has done nothing but screw women, but only fantasies about screwing
 > men, is mostly gay. Ditto for the wanton woman who fantasies about women, but
 > sleeps only with men.
 >
 > Now, take the paragraph above, instead of "gay" in line three, insert
 > "lesbigay" or "bigayles" or "gaybiles" or whatever PC phrase you want inserted
 > in there, and the statement remains the same.
 >
 > DC

I should probalby know better than to argue with DC, but here goes...

What are you basing these statements on? Is this some conventional wisdom
that I missed? Earlier this week, someone stated that our understanding
of fantasies today is where our understanding of masturbation was fifty
years ago. So have we taken a giant leap in the last day or so that I
missed? Help me out, I missed the last copy of the National Enquirer;^).


Now, I would like to extend this logic to another type of fantasy that has
been the topic of hot discussion in this group. Are any of the following
true?

1) A teenage male who fantasies about rape all day long, but has never
   committed one, is a rapist. A teenage female who fantasizes about
   nothing but being raped is a rape victim.

2) A man who has done nothing but screw women who consent, but only
   fantasies about screwing who do not consent, is mostly a rapist.
   Ditto for the wanton woman who fantasies about being raped, but sleeps
   with men only on a consentual(sp?) basis -- she is mostly a rape victim.

Now, take the paragraphs above, instead of "rapist", insert "potential
rapist"; instead of "victim" insert "probable victim"; instead of "man"
insert "woman"; and instead of "woman" insert "man."

It is agreed in this forum that rape is bad. It is not agreed whether
or not fantasizing about rape is good or bad. It is not agreed whether
someone who fantasizes about raping is a likely rapist. It is also
not agreed whether someone who fantasizes about being raped has a true
desire to be a victim.

If memory serves me correctly, you advocate that there is nothing about
having rape fantasies that that makes one a likely rapist or rape victim.
You believe that there is nothing inherently wrong in having rape fantasies.

Now, you are telling us that whether a person is heterosexual, bisexual,
or homosexual can be determined solely on the basis of fantasies? It seems
like you want it both ways.

--
-Tim-

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