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- From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
- Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
- Message-ID: <SYNTH.92Jul27122914@deepthought.unm.edu>
- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:29:14 GMT
- Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality
- In-Reply-To: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu's message of 26 Jul 92 22:20:00 GMT
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- dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
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- dc> synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
- > Is this like the third time I've had to correct you on this? Re-read
- > the articles that you yourself have posted -- the scientific community
- > does not KNOW if it is "normal" or "okay" to fantasize about rape.
- > Please stop contending that it is.
-
- dc> It would be real hard to state that having rape fantasies is not
- dc> normal.
-
- Nor am I trying to. But by the same token, it's unscientific and
- irresponsible for you to contend that they are. You can draw your own
- personal conclusions, but I object to you stating them as fact.
-
- > dc> We leave out of fantasies we would rather not associate with.
- > dc> When it comes to a rape fantasy, the same applies.
- >
- > We do this anyway -- the difference I was looking for is someone who
- > has seen first-hand what rape actually does to others.
-
- dc> Synth, this has been answere time and again. Not just by me but by
- dc> many others. We can seperate fantasy from reality.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- It would waste a lot less bandwidth if you took the time to *read* my
- post before following up on it. Nowhere was I contending that fantasy
- needs to be separated from reality -- our previous discussions show
- that we both already agree on that point. And nor was I ever looking
- for reasons to call this fantasy in this circumstance "bad" -- by my
- own admission numerous times we don't know if having rape fantasies
- are good or bad. So you should really be asking yourself, "what the
- hell is he talking about?"
-
- To answer this I refer to you a portion of my previous post that you,
- for some reason, completely ignored:
-
- ----
- > dc> ... It may even be something as extreme as just one, really
- > dc> humiliating that (nasty word for a female here) who dicked you
- > dc> over and felt no remorse about stringing you along while she slept
- > dc> with other guys.
- >
- > The key element I was looking for was how you have already experienced,
- > through the other females in your life, the "reality" elements of
- > trauma and horror, and then continue to indulge in the fantasy after
- > being educated first-hand. My guess is that your fantasy of humiliating
- > your ex is really just simple revenge, and does not involve some sense
- > of satisfaction in giving her lasting emotional and psychological
- > scarring, loss of intimacy or sociability, recurring nightmares, etc.
- > (Or does it ...?)
- ----
-
- DC, the door is wide open: I'm asking for your *personal* input on a
- question posed *to you* about the goings-on in *your* mind. Are you
- going to answer it, or are you afraid to share this? If you are, just
- say so and I'll drop it.
-
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