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- From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
- Newsgroups: talk.environment
- Subject: Re: Leasing land (was Re: What, if anything, is a wetland?)
- Message-ID: <TSF.92Jul24110046@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU>
- Date: 24 Jul 92 16:00:46 GMT
- References: <TSF.92Jul22125430@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> <trR-6T_@engin.umich.edu>
- Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
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- In-Reply-To: blagdon@engin.umich.edu's message of Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:18:30 EDT
- Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
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- In article <trR-6T_@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
- In article <TSF.92Jul22125430@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) writes:
- I hadn't heard of this 'permanent lease' idea before, but it sounds
- like it could work. In this case, it seems that you as the lessor would
- be required to return the thing back to its original state. If you
- couldn't do that, you'd have to pay for it to be brought back as close
- to originally as possible. In this case, you'd pay to have the keyboard
- recycled into original components, with the closest thing to oil being
- plastic pellets to be reused.
-
- I'm sure that with a million dollars and creative chemistry (and lots
- of generated pollution), the plastic in my keyboard could be
- transformed into something resembling crude oil. Who decides how
- close to the original state the keyboard needs to be returned?
-
- I've lost track of the purpose of this proposal. It seems to lead to
- the destruction of a perfectly good keyboard. Why is this a good
- thing? Apparently the original state is better than the new state
- just because it is the original state? Why?
-
- >I'm equally lost when it comes to the irrigation ditch. When the
- >lease expires, how do I keep the ditch but lose use of the land? (If
- >the lease can't expire, then in what sense is it a lease?)
-
- You don't. You get what utility you can out of the ditch while you are
- leasing the land. When you leave you are required to bring the land back
- to its original state, or pay to have that done. Ie, you fill in the
- ditch and replant the ground with whatever kind of plant you removed (or
- at least some native plants) to make the ditch. If you don't expect
- to get enough utility out of the ditch, don't dig it.
-
- And if the next person who leases the land needs a ditch in the same
- place for the same reason I needed it, then the ditch gets filled in
- and redug? Why bother? What's the point?
- --
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