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- From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
- Subject: Re: Decreasing forest land (WAS: Libertarians ... $)
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- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:34:58 GMT
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- In article <92203.192109MEK104@psuvm.psu.edu> <MEK104@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark Kubiske writes:
- >
- >If forests do not support our society, then presumably we could do OK
- >without them? Personally, I don't think so. Our society derives much more
- >from forests than wood fiber. I never thought I'd be arguing the point with
- >someone as environmentally aware as yourself.
-
- You're not. I was simply (if implicitly) making the point that most of
- what we get from forests that isn't derived from timber is either now,
- or in the future, derivable from other sources, mostly because they
- are used in relatively small quantities. Although I can imagine artificial
- manufacture of wood, we use it in such large amounts, that I tend to
- believe that its more economically viable to simple grow it on tree farms.
-
- If you're talking about things other than products (like hiking,
- salmon spawning, animal habitat), I appreciate that, but they haven't
- done much to save the Scottish forests, or the Eastern forests, or the
- taiga that passes through north of here, or the temperate rain forests
- just to the west.
-
- [ interesting stats ]
-
- >The statistics cited above is from a peer reviewed article "Changes in
- >Private Timberland" by R. J. Alig and D. N. Wear in the May,1992 Journal
- >of Forestry.
-
- I'll look it up.
-
- >If you look this article up, I suggest you also read "The Reforestation
- >Challenge" if you have any misconceptions about what timber companies do for
- >forests.
-
- I haven't detected a distinction in your posts between forests and a
- group of trees growing close to one another. Do you see one ? I really
- can't think what timber companies do for forests, certainly not the
- forests of the PNW, although its clear what they do for land being
- used for tree farms. Just as horticulture provides great benefits to
- the plants under cultivation, I'm sure that timber companies do a
- great deal to enhance growth conditions for trees.
-
- However, I don't really see this as the point. The question is not
- whether we want trees - we clearly do - but whether we want forests.
- Weyerhauser's farms out here are generally much more productive on a
- wood fiber per-acre basis than the forests they have been replanted
- on, and I think that's great - we use wood a lot, and it makes sense
- to cultivate it in the most efficient manner possible. What I question
- is the *replacement* of large (as in 80-90%) sections of forest with
- tree farms. The forests here have apparently survived for thousands
- of years without contemporary forest management; I suspect that such
- practices would do little for the forest, even if the trees were to
- grow much better.
-
- -- paul
- --
- Paul's housebuilding credo:
- Measure it with a micrometer, cut it with a chainsaw, fit it
- with a sledgehammer
-
-