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- From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
- Subject: Re: What, if anything, is a wetland? (WAS Re: Why Bush does not want to sign at Rio?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.192627.22543@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <TSF.92Jul20144117@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> <1992Jul20.195908.4422@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <TSF.92Jul21100849@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:26:27 GMT
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- In article <TSF.92Jul21100849@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU> tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) writes:
- >In article <1992Jul20.195908.4422@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis) writes:
- >Each object (with the exception of intangible things like patents)
- >consists of some amount of human effort combined with some amount of
- >material that originally came from the Earth. The current
- >configuration of a piece of land also depends on some amount of human
- >effort combined with whatever nature did. I can see quantitative
- >differences but not qualitative ones.
-
- Then I must explicitly widen my scope: I don't think that you should
- be able to own materials, only that part of an object which represents
- human effort. For the majority of objects that most people are
- interested in, that represents the vast majority of the object anyway.
- In a few rare cases, such a people who collect rough hewn logs,
- unfinished crystals and so forth, there's still plenty of labor
- involved in moving/excavating/finding such objects, enough to attach
- the high price that such objects normally command.
-
- The point is simply that you are entitled own the results of your
- labor, be they direct or the consequence of trading with others. You
- are not, IMHO, entitled to own land, or the materials derived from it,
- A community interested in a reasonably comfortable life is certainly
- going to allow individuals to take such material and apply their labor
- to it; my claim is merely that such effort doesn't confer ownership of
- the material itself. The indistinguishability or rather, the
- inseparability of the labor from the object ensures that such a
- postition doesn't imply much change for now. The implications only
- have practical impact when it comes to using land that is currently
- unused by humans for economic purposes, since the right to do so needs
- to be granted by a community (as is true now) - the notion that the
- person so granted doesn't own the land, but instead is using it in the
- best currently known way changes some of the obligations and freedoms
- attached to its use.
-
- No doubt someone will find a way to show me the inherent
- contradictions of such a position. Please do.
-
- --
- Paul's housebuilding credo:
- Measure it with a micrometer, cut it with a chainsaw, fit it
- with a sledgehammer
-
-