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- From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Abortion and Infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.202846.22847@ncsu.edu>
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- Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Organization: North Carolina State University
- References: <1992Jul26.171120.22168@ncsu.edu> <1992Jul27.095627.27259@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Jul28.011013.17839@ncsu.edu> <1992Jul28.105456.23402@hemlock.cray.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:28:46 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul28.105456.23402@hemlock.cray.com>
- mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
-
- >dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >>>> But why doesn't the fetus enjoy the same right to bodily autonomy?
-
- >>> In the first place, it is difficult to imagine a
- >>> self-governing or self-directing state for an entity
- >>> which is completely contained within the body of
- >>> another.
-
- >> Why not?
-
- > Where will it direct itself? What kind of moral
- > decisions will it make?
-
- The late-term fetus will make the same moral decisions as a
- newborn infant (if either is capable of doing so, which I
- seriously doubt). They are essentially identical entities.
-
- >> Since a newborn infant is generally incapable of enjoying or
- >> expressing such things as 'self-directing freedom', your logic
- >> would require us to deny rights to newborn infants.
-
- > There are limits to the expressions of 'self-directing
- > freedom' that are possible for a newborn. The possibilities
- > for a newborn are orders of magnitude beyond those of a
- > late term fetus, however.
-
- I don't see any difference between a late-term fetus and a
- newborn baby. They are essentially identical.
-
- > Also, a newborn baby does not impinge on the bodily
- > autonomy of another.
-
- Define "impinge". Does the mother also impinge on the bodily
- autonomy of the fetus? If not, why?
-
- >> A viable fetus can be removed from the woman alive and it'll
- >> become a nursing infant. Is a viable fetus autonomous?
-
- > Not until it's removed.
-
- A viable fetus can survive without any one particular host,
- just like a newborn infant.
-
- >> If a woman and an infant were isolated from civilization and the
- >> woman could only offer her breast milk to the infant, then the
- >> infant would not be "autonomous" by Mr. Tjoa's definition.
-
- > Please clarify. Is there food for the woman to eat or not?
-
- Yes, the woman has food available, but she can only offer her
- breast milk to the newborn infant.
-
- > If not, she can't nurse forever. If so, she could choose
- > to share the food with the infant, rather than nursing. Do
- > you really wanna know how primitive baby food got processed?
-
- Are you telling me that a newborn baby can live on solid food?
- What kind of solid food? Raw meat?
-
- >muriel
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
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