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- From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
- Subject: Re: Some useful statistics
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- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:08:36 GMT
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- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
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- >I don't claim omniscience, Kellmeyer.
-
- >I have discussed the Reardon "study" here many time before. I
- >really hope that you are not challenging my claim that his
- >sample was hopelessly biased.
-
- Well, if you'd bother to read his book, you'd find that he points out
- when he's using WEBA as the basis for data and when he's quoting
- published reports that did NOT use WEBA members. No one, including
- Reardon himself, claims that the WEBA sample is other than self-selected.
-
- Note, however, that Reardon did a LOT more than just survey WEBA members.
- He does an overview of the literature, showing where and how literature
- sources back up the experience of WEBA members, and how they sometimes
- mysteriously "miss" the members of this half-million member organization.
-
- You, however, focus only on the WEBA data, and claim that Reardon said
- things he did not say, so that you can knock the straw-man down.
-
- >I will, in time, research the morbidity/mortality claims by
- >Hilgers and post the results. (I can't promise instant results,
- >but I will do the research.)
-
- For someone who does not claim omniscience, you sure act like you have it.
- I have a post in which you
- specifically say that Hilgers studies have been refuted. NOW you say
- you haven't even done the research which backs up your claim!!!!!!!
- You claimed to know how Operation Rescue training sessions
- worked (though you never attended one) while you were unwilling to
- make any assumptions about why an abortion counsellor would passively
- lie to a customer about her baby's heartbeat. I'm trying to be nice
- and assume you have some sort of omniscience that applies only to
- facts presented by pro-lifers. The alternative is that you are a liar.
-
- I might also note that the article I posted with statistics about
- abortion contained exactly ONE (1) reference from David Reardon's
- book. That reference was a footnote whose calculations were based
- on a half-dozen studies published in medical journals and by state
- medical agencies. Those journals and articles were included in the
- reference. My post contained quite a lot more references besides.
- So again, you construct a straw-man (implying that the
- bulk of my article was based on Reardon's WEBA research) and try
- to knock it down.
-
- >Just out of curiosity, do you read articles and books which
- >challenge the validity of anti-abortion studies?
-
- More to the point, do you?
-
- >Susan
-
- Steve Kellmeyer
-