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- From: roberts@CMR.NCSL.NIST.GOV (John Roberts)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: Whales and dolphins
- Message-ID: <9207230053.AA03376@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov>
- Date: 23 Jul 92 00:53:17 GMT
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- -From: amon@elegabalus.cs.qub.ac.uk
- -Subject: Re: Whales and dolphins
- -Date: 22 Jul 92 18:33:49 GMT
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- -The social structure of dolphins is among the most complex on Earth,
- -right up there with Homo Sapiens and Pan.
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- Chimpanzees? They also have a very complex (and violent) social structure.
-
- -Dolphins form small cooperative groups that will sometimes form
- -coalitions with other cooperative groups. What is interesting is that
- -they may be the only other species that understands the double-cross
- -in the Machiavellian sense.
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- -They will work with a group until it becomes in their interest to
- -work with yet another group against the first group.
-
- I don't doubt you're right, but other less intelligent animals will sometimes
- do this too, particularly the "bachelor groups" as you describe. I've heard of
- groups of male lions attacking a dominant male to get territory or mates,
- then fighting among themselves. There are extensive studies of possible
- evolutionary incentives to form specific behavior patterns.
-
- -So much for the peaceful, lovable porpoises... But they definitely
- -are far, far up the scale of social evolution.
-
- At least they tend to be well-disposed toward humans.
-
- Speaking of behavior patterns and cultures, E.E. Smith did a really interesting
- job of them in the Lensman series. Dozens of possible ET cultures, vividly
- described but in an unobtrusive way, and most of them fairly believable.
- In fact in "Masters of the Vortex", a novel placed in the setting of the
- Lensman universe, he describes two cultures, both intelligent and sympathetic,
- yet each acting in ways that are very harmful to the other, because the
- physical makeup of the two cultures is so different that neither is aware that
- the other exists. Heinlein apparently learned a lot from Smith (he wrote at
- least one article praising Smith as a pioneer in SF), and this theme is
- reflected in some of his novels, as well as the general theme of
- misunderstandings between cultures. This is a case where the speculations of
- science fiction have had a strong influence on the approach toward scientific
- research (SETI).
-
- John Roberts
- roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
-