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- From: ames!FNALD.FNAL.GOV!DROEGE
- Subject: A Little More Data
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- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
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- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:41:53 GMT
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- We are running a pseudo Ying experiment - this is the present status.
-
- Dr. Nelson Ying called this morning and I now have a better idea about what I
- can talk about. There is a specific drawing which shows the configuration of
- Ying's experiment. In fairness to Ying, I will not say how the present
- configuration compares to the Ying set up. This way I will give away as
- little as possible of his design.
-
- We have added a Co60 source to the "old" Takahashi experiment. Sources are
- pretty well protected these days. While I could easily check out a source at
- Fermilab (if I sat through enough video tapes and took enough tests) I would
- be fired if I took it off site. I really think they would actually do it.
- It shows the pickle science has gotten into by accepting government support.
-
- There is also a radium dial watch sitting on top of the cell. I wish it were
- not there, but to remove it I would have to open the calorimeter, and this
- would compromise the calibration.
-
- Fortunately I have a friend at a university who has boxes full of old stuff.
- The source he brought is stamped 0.5 micro-curie. No telling how old it is.
- Could easily be 30 years old. If so, it would be down to 0.008 micro-curie.
- When put right against the gieger counter window, it barely brings it up to
- 0.1 rem per hour. I believe the source Ying is using is much more intense,
- but I won't know until I get it. He can obviously create a more favorable
- geometry than I have. The UPS driver came and left this morning without
- bringing a source, so no change is possible until monday.
-
- As stated previously, I dremmel tooled my way through the outer shell of the
- calorimeter so that I can put the source up against the outside of the dewar.
- This puts it about 10 cm from the cathode. Between the source and the cathode
- are two approximately 0.020 stainless steel dewar walls, 1/16" of copper, 5/8"
- of aluminum, 0.030" of polypropylene, and 2 cm of D2O saturated with LiOD.
- There is a 2" foam plug which is put in behind the source position whether it
- is there or not. Even if the plug is left out, the change in heat leak would
- be only of order 100 micro-watts per degree C. Room temperature is constant
- to better than 1 C. I do not see much possibility that source in - source out
- does anything to change the calorimeter balance - other than through the
- effect of the source radiation.
-
- Pt Gamma Duration Duration Accumulated Estimated Average
- # Status Seconds Hours Net Joules Error-J Power - watts
-
- 1 On 17760 4.9 532.8 49 0.0300 +/- 0.0027
- 2 Off 48060 13.4 1268.8 50 0.0264 +/- 0.0010
- 3 On 87300 24.3 2715.0 100 0.0311 +/- 0.0011
- 4 Off 77220 21.5 1621.6 50 0.0210 +/- 0.0006
- 5 On 82740 23.0 3607.5 50 0.0436 +/- 0.0006
- 6 Off 79980 22.2 2709.7 50 0.0339 +/- 0.0010
- 7 On 83640 23.2 3284.3 50 0.0393 +/- 0.0010
- 8 Off 57300 15.9 1201.0 50 0.0210 +/- 0.0010
-
- Note that since the last posting, point 6 has completed its on time.
-
- No good way to tell for sure, but it looks like there might be a small time
- lag related to source on-off. This data is all taken while running the
- Takahashi saw tooth current profile. The period is 15 minutes, and the
- current ramps up to 400 ma per sq cm from a low of 60 ma per sq cm. The ramp
- gives a power integral that looks like a rectified sine wave. We always do
- things i.e., take a data point or change the source position, at the slowly
- changing top of the integral data. The energy (accumulated net joules) is a
- continuous sum of the total energy - time interval product. The total energy
- is the power in - the power out. The power in measurement is the algebraic
- sum of all the E*I of all the leads coming in to the calorimeter. The power
- out it the refrigerator current times the refrigerator scale factor determined
- from calibration experiments. Calibration experiments are much quieter than
- this data.
-
- With point 8 we will reduce the time interval to 12 hours in an attempt to get
- more data.
-
- Many thanks to Robert Eachus for his data analysis. How about it skeptics,
- what would be convincing? I think it would be a lot of fun to run a double
- blind experiment over the network. I already have a few volunteers to work,
- but I really would like to hear from the skeptics, who suddenly seem to be
- quiet? Hello? Hello?. Skeptics, are you there? I want to give you jobs to
- do, like compare the power measurement stream with the source in - source out
- sequence. If we can line up a set of volunteers, I do not even need to know
- when the source is in and out, and do not have to touch the data disk. I am
- still a Dieter Britz type agnostic.
-
- Tom Droege
-