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- From: snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu (John Snyder)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: ... an infinite mesh of 1ohm resistors ...
- Message-ID: <1992Jul27.210947.5820@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>
- Date: 27 Jul 92 21:09:47 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul25.210947.12316@cs.yale.edu> A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu> writes:
- >
- >
- >>>> "MM" == minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) writes:
- >
- >MM> It's a superposition trick. Imagine attaching a current source
- >MM> between points A and B, and forcing 1 ampere through the circuit.
- >MM> There's a theorem (I forget the name) which says that this is
- >MM> equivalent to the sum of two separate experiments of forcing 1 amp
- >MM> into A and of sucking 1 amp out of B. The first experiment would push
- >MM> 1/4 amp into the resistor from A to B, and so would the second
- >MM> experiment! So we find that 1/2 amp flows through the resistor, hence
- >MM> the voltage between A and B is 1/2 volt. Then because R = E/I, we get
- >MM> the resistance must be 1/2 volt over 1 amp at the terminals, so the
- >MM> resistance is 1/2 ohm. Wonderful example of a sort of circular reasoning.
- >
- >I imagine that the superposition theorem works when the two (or more) states
- >that are being superimposed are themselves real in the sense that they can in
- >principle be achieved in an experiment?
- >
- >This is not clear to me at all in this case. What does "forcing 1 amp" into the
- >network at any point mean? What does "sucking 1 amp" out mean? You have an
- >infinite grid of resistors facing you. You're trying to inject current at one
- >point, presumably by applying a high potential - but if there's no sink, what's
- >to ensure that your potential is high with respect to any point on the grid? I
- >don't see why any current should flow at all. Where is the potential difference
- >for it to flow? Where does the current flow to? To "infinity"? What does that
- >mean?
- >
- >If "forcing" the current and "sucking" it out are both impossible things to do
- >(at least it seems so to me), what could it mean to superimpose these two
- >impossible events to get a nice and simple event that is possible (the case
- >where there are both a source and a sink)?
- >
-
- I believe that you are missing the point of the previous post here. The
- trick that the previous poster described is a *MATHEMATICAL* trick. It
- is a thought process that one can use to solve a circuit. In this case,
- one imagines connecting an ideal current source across two terminals of
- in the circuit. An ideal current source is a mathematical idealization
- of a constant current source that one can use in a laboratory. The
- big difference is that an ideal current source is capable of putting
- out *ANY* voltage in order to keep its output current at the set value.
- Obviously such a beast does *NOT* exist. However, it is useful to imagine
- for computational purposes, particularly in simplifying complicated
- circuits, and using Norton's Theorem.
-
- John
- snyder@henry.ece.cmu.edu
-