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- From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
- Subject: Re: Converting the masses
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- Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Constance
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- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:38:06 GMT
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- In article <MATT.92Jul22142345@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:
-
- [..]
-
- >That is: I define the inertial mass of a body as the "m" appearing in
- >the equation
- > F = m a, (1)
- >and I define the gravitational mass of a body as the "m" appearing
- >in the equation
- > F = G m M / r^2. (2)
- >I believe that these definitions are customary; I don't know what
- >other meaning could be attached to the phrases "inertial mass" or
- >"gravitational mass."
-
- [..]
-
- That are excellent definitions of inertial and gravitational mass. I'd like
- to add a comment on *gravit'l* mass:
-
- In principle, it is not guaranteed a priori that the field generating
- "active" gravit'l mass *M* which occurs in the gravit'l field eq (Poisson eq)
- (U: Newtonian gravit'l potential,
- \Delta: Laplace op (assume most of the audience speek TeX))
-
- \Delta U = - 4 pi G M (2a)
-
- is identical to the interaction perceiving "passive" gravit'l mass *m*
- appearing in the force eq/momentum law
-
- F = m * \nabla U . (2b)
-
- Identity can be simply established for interactions based on a Lagrange
- density on a very general level (in Newtonian continuous media phys, SR
- and GR).
-
- (in GR the eq's (2a) and (2b) read, respectively:
- G_ = 8 pi T_ (Einstein eq) (2a')
-
- T_mu^nu_;nu = 0 (eq of continuity) (2b')
- )
-
- This feature is identical in theories involving charges
- (e.g. electromagnetism, electro-weak theory, chromo dynamics, or thelike;
- just put M -> Q, m -> q for the e.m. case.)
- It results from the simple fact that the gravit'l mass is, from the
- theoretical point of view, the charge corresponding to gravit'l interaction,
- i.e. gravit'l charge.
-
- [Side remark 1:]
- So if one could prove that any interaction had different active and passive
- charges for at least one particle, one had found that nature cannot be
- described by a Lagrangian based theory. All nice features of the Lagrange,
- and Hamilton, theory would no more be present (i.e. automatic conservation
- laws, conserved currents, etc.).
-
- [Side remark 2:]
- For gravity to be interpreted as a manifestation of a dynamic, non-trivial
- geometry (e.g. curvature) there's also *need* for the equivalence of
- inertial and (passive) gravit'l mass since (2b) is then replaced by the
- covariant eq of continuity of the energy-momentum tensor (Einstein
- equivalence principle).
- --
- Hartmut Frommert, LS Dehnen, Physics, | E-Mail: <phfrom@dknkurz1.bitnet>
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