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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Converting the masses
- Date: 22 Jul 92 17:25:38
- Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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- In-reply-to: dk@imager's message of 22 Jul 92 22:32:18 GMT
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- In article <131163@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> dk@imager (Dave Knapp) writes:
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- In Article <1992Jul22.193837.18095@sfu.ca> palmer@sfu.ca
- (Leigh Palmer) writes:
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- > In order to illustrate my point, do you claim that a lump of
- > condensed matter has a the same mass as the sum of the masses of
- > its elementary constituents? Of course you don't. That only
- > begins the parade of difficulties attendant to using the currently
- > fashionable definition outside its proper area of use.
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- > To further confuse the beginning physics student you could explain
- > that the mass of that lump of matter is independent of its
- > temperature.
-
- This caricature of the "currently fashionable definition of mass"
- is pretty twisted. Surely you can't be claiming that the use of
- "rest mass" as "mass" implies that one must use the sum of
- constituent masses to obtain the mass of an object? If you are, then
- how do you think particle physicists define the proton mass? As the
- sum of the masses of the constituent quarks? Not likely.
-
- Hmmph. I think I smell a straw man. -- Dave
-
- Nope. Define the mass of a neutron star, and consider that
- most astrophycists will respond if asked: "baryonic mass
- or gravitational mass?".
- Now for the tricky bit: given the distinction, explain
- why a black hole's gravitational mass if non-zero and give an
- operational definition...
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- * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
- * steinly@helios.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
- * The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
- * And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
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