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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: Twin Paradox
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- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:39:12 GMT
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- aguirre@wigner.physics.upenn.edu (Anthony Aguirre) writes:
-
- > What you're saying is no different than complaining about the first half
- > of the standard twins paradox: If the first twin leaves for AC at 99% the
- > speed of light, he feels that 7 months have passed, whereas the twin on
- > earth would claim that 4 years had passed. But why not assume that the
- > first twin stayed still, the earth moved away at 99% c, thus the earthman
- > aged 7 months and the traveller aged 4 years? This is basically the same
- > as the "paradox" you are pointing out.
- >
- > The problem, however, is that the twins cannot compare ages until they
- > have returned to the same reference frame. The asymmetry occurs when the
- > traveler turns around and returns to earth. If, somehow, the earth (and
- > AC) were to turn around so that the earth returned to the traveler, then it
- > would turn out that the traveler was younger than the earthman. Thus,
- > symmetry.
-
- It is not necessary for one of them to turn around or accelerate to make
- this comparison. That just confuses the issue, because then people start to
- think that turning around has something to do with who ages how much. It
- does not. The differential aging occurs in a simple one-way trip without
- accelerations, as should be evident in this example. And when all four
- encounters are examined, all possible age comparisons become possible by
- direct (not remote) observation.
-
- > In your example, one of the two reference frames would have to change in
- > order for both reference frames to become equivalent and allow a meaningful
- > comparison of ages. Depending on which frame changes, one of the twins
- > would end up older than the other in a way similar to the standard twins
- > paradox.
-
- No, meaningful comparisons can be done at each encounter event.
- Eventually all combinations are compared.
-
- > You might object "well, why not compare the ages from a distance." For
- > example, the traveler, upon reaching AC, could send a message home at the
- > speed of light, saying "it took me 7 months (my time) to get here." The
- > earth would receive this message four years after it was send (in the
- > traveller's frame.) But his doesn't mean four years in earth's frame. The
- > key to the twins paradox (as in all SR) is being very careful about exactly
- > which measurements are being taken, and in which frame, etc.
-
- See my new posting with the resolution of the paradox. -|Tom|-
-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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