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- From: jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: Chaos
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- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:13:42 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul20.194122.4545@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
-
- > Work on existence and uniqueness and 'attractors' in 2-D with
- > usually special forcings and/or boundary conditions is hardly
- > of earth-shattering import. Much more interesting from Foias
- > is his work on the Hopf functional formulation of turbulence
- > This is, of course, unrelated to 'chaos'. Most people do not know
- > that the Navier-Stokes equations have been 'solved' (formally
- > by functional methods J. Rat. Mech. Anal. 1:87 (1952) and all
- > that followed from that work). This could be very interesting
- > if we were better at functional integration. I suggest that work in
- > this area (of course, there are people working in this area)
- > is probably more potentially earthshaking, and there are applications
- > in other research backwaters (e.g. QM).
-
- Hmm... I suppose I should just read the reference, but I wonder in what
- sense the Navier-Stokes equation can be said to be "solved". There is
- no good global existence theorem for solutions, for one thing. It's
- true that the Navier-Stokes equation, like most decent PDE's, can be
- written as a ODE with values in an infinite-dimensional vector space
-
- df/dt = G(f)
-
- and then "solved" by an integral equation
-
- f(t) = f(0) + int_0^t G(f(s)) ds .
-
- While this technique is really useful for studying PDE it would be
- misleading to say to ordinary folks that the Navier-Stokes equation had
- been solved if this was all there was to it. Of course, you say it was
- "solved" with quotes. If it's possible to clarify without too much
- work that'd be nice.
-
- By the way, it's very enjoyable to read you writing about this stuff - as
- opposed to the SSC - I guess I like physics more than politics.
-