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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
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- Subject: Re: Whale killing for "science" -- so for what?
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- Date: 24 Jul 92 17:48:59 GMT
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- In <STEINLY.92Jul20184606@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
-
- >>From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
-
- Interesting how all of the people quoting one another here and
- supporting Norway's war against the whales seem to have Scandinavian
- sounding names. I wonder... if one Norwegian died for every
- whale, would they feel the same way?
-
-
- >I refer to an article in New Scientist on 29 October 1988, pp.46-47,
- >by Dr. Margaret Klinowska, described as a member of the "IUCN Species
- >Survival Commission Cetacean Specialist Group". I quote:
-
- Could identify the "IUCN" for us, please? (Why would I not
- be surprised to find out it's a whaling group?)
-
-
- > "The idea that the size and surface characteristics of brains are
- > related to the intelligence of their owners was popular among
- > neuroanatomists around the turn of the century....
- > The subject remained generally out of fashion until the 1960s when
- > John Lilly, a medical doctor by training, became fascinated by the
- > absolute size of cetacean brains.
-
- Already, Dr. Klinowska has made a collossal mistake (or tried to
- slip in a lie). She is comparing theories about the relationship
- of brain size to intelligence *within* species to theories about
- the relationship of brain size to intelligence *between* species.
-
- No serious scientists doubts there is some relationship between
- brain size and intelligence. If there wasn't, there would surely
- be at least one species of intelligent insect among the millions
- inhabiting Earth. And while geniuses may not have larger brains,
- humans born with abnormally small brains do suffer severe mental
- retardation.
-
- > For example, Giorgio Pilleri and his colleagues at the
- > Brain Anatomy Institute at the University of Berne in Switzerland made
- > and exhaustive study of brain size in relation to behaviour among
- > rodents. They concluded that intelligence, whether human or animal, is
- > too complex to characterise with a single numerical index.
-
- Again, she's tried to slip in another lie. No one has ever claimed
- that the intelligence of whales is proven by a "single numerical index."
-
-
- > They also found that cerebral quotients -- which express relative
- > brain and body size -- provide no conclusive index of intelligence
- > among mammals.
-
- The fact that something is not conclusive does not mean that it's
- not indicative. The fact that a housepet fetches your slippers and
- barks is not conclusive proof that the animal's a dog -- but it's a
- pretty good indication.
-
-
- >Dr. Klinowska mentions the lack of REM sleep in dolphins as a possible
- >reason for their relatively large brain size.
-
- So, after criticizing cetacean researchers for not having enough
- evidence to support their theories, she introduces her own theory
- with absolutely no evidence to support it.
-
-
- Of course, the Nazis had "scientists" who published similar papers
- about the Jews.
-