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- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:35:16 EDT
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- Subject: Re: Lawyer's science vs. unbiased presentation of the facts
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- In article <1992Jul22.202258.14769@midway.uchicago.edu>, rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu
- (raymond thomas pierrehumbert) says:
-
- >Following on my previous comments concerning Younger-Dryas:
-
- >Does anybody know if there is any historical precedent for
- >a 4-5 degree WARMING in a period of less than 1000 years?
- >Especially for a warming of global mean temperatures (YD
- >was a cooling of (I think) about this magnitude, but it
- >is supposed to have been pretty localized).
-
- With respect to the Younger Dryas, the (mostly local) cooling
- in 40 years or so (according to Lehman's work) was ended by
- an equally rapid warming.
-
- I believe that some of the ice core work does show warmings
- of about 5 degrees C in under 1000 years, but it is hard to tell
- if this was local or global. A problem here is that dating
- in the Antarctic cores is difficult due to the low precipitation
- rate there. Conversely, though dating for Greenland can be good,
- it is tremendously influenced by the local effects of the
- North Atlantic (such as with the Younger Dryas).
-
- Free thought: I think it is extremely important to distinguish
- between global and local features in climate and climate change.
- On the other hand, the thing that will affect the wheat crop
- on the great plains of North America, or the desertification of
- Africa, are going to be the local changes. So, I'm not aware
- of any general studies of the climate system which explore
- multiple stable states of the climate system which would involve
- local changes in climate with no change in the global average
- fields (temperature, say). There's a fair amount of this
- done for the ocean alone, but I have yet to see a similar
- analysis for the atmosphere. (This may reflect my area of
- study more than the state of the science. I do know of
- some work in this direction, but not quite there.)
-
- Bob Grumbine
- rmg3@grebyn.com
-