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- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment,sci.energy,sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Is nuclear energy "polluting"? (was Re: Is car pooling for real?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.132659.2196@ke4zv.uucp>
- Date: 29 Jul 92 13:26:59 GMT
- References: <0!lm8dl@dixie.com> <1992Jul27.191203.1702@aoa.aoa.utc.com> <sgmmytc@dixie.com> <1992Jul29.015231.14191@cerberus.ulaval.ca>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
- Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
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- In article <1992Jul29.015231.14191@cerberus.ulaval.ca> yergeau@cornu.phy.ulaval.ca (Francois Yergeau) writes:
- [jgd wrote]
- >>Dam structure remains. Impounded water and sediment may also remain.
- >>Sediment will contain concentrated toxins from the years of collection.
- >
- >I tend to disbelieve this proposition. Actually, just the reverse
- >happens when the basin is initially filled: mercury trapped in the soil
- >of the flooded forest floor is released in the water, and toxic fish
- >results. This pollution (which was there to begin with, but was
- >natural and hidden) washes out over a time frame of 10 to 20 years. It
- >does not get concentrated, just the opposite. Think of it, once the
- >basin is filled, the average flow is just the same as before the dam
- >was built, although admittedly over a wider area.
- >
- >>May not be feasable to remove the dam and powerhouse after decomissioning
- >>leaving a ugly, hazardous structure. Hazardous from things like
- >>people falling off it and hazardous from the risk of failure.
- >
- >Ok then, just refurbish it and go for another 50 years, as proposed
- >above for nuclear plants. Actually, it even makes more sense than for
- >nukes because, while one nuclear plant can often be replaced by another
- >one built 100 meters away, no such option exists for hydro dams. And
- >if you don't refurbish, at least open the vanes, and turn your dam into
- >a mere mound of dirt and concrete, no more dangerous than a cliff in
- >the mountains.
-
- I suggest you look at the siltation rates of various impoundments. The
- Hall of Shame winner is the Aswan High Dam. Because stream velocity
- slows when it enters the impoundment, very rapid siltation occurs. The
- reservoir capacity of the High Dam has already been reduced by 1/4 since
- the gates were closed. It's widely estimated that most impoundments become
- unusable due to siltation in a reasonably short time. Lake Mead, one
- of the better impoundments, is estimated to reach full siltation in
- under 500 years. That's impressive on our quarterly report time scale,
- but considering that to continue it's usefulness after that time it
- will require complete dredging, it's a very expensive 500 years.
- Aswan may become unusable by 2020. That makes 50 year bonds a poor
- investment.
-
- Toxic solids become trapped in the silt, and over time the layer of
- silt will have a much higher concentration of toxics than that suspended
- in the stream flow. This concentration mechanism isn't a trivial concern.
- Bottom feeders like catfish have much higher levels of contamination on
- the Ohio and Mississippi rivers than top feeders. This is a result of
- Corps of Engineers flood control dams slowing stream flow and causing
- higher rates of siltation.
-
- Gary
-