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- From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:51:01 GMT
- Subject: Re: TV all opened but cannot find problem
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- Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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- > You simply forgot the best way of electrocuting yourself with a TV set:
- > the switched-mode power supply. Voltages aren't that big there... but the
- > currents are! High voltage (25kV) is available at some milliamps only, but
- > let's assume your body has a resistance of some kiloohms... You won't need
- > very high voltages to get a lethal dose... just enough drive!
- >
- > Chris.
-
- Chris, what do you think constitutes "drive" in electrical terms, if not
- voltage?
-
- The HV supplies in TVs ARE hazardous - true, they are generally not capable
- of supplying especially high currents for long durations - but the CRT itself
- is a pretty good capacitor, and I can guarantee anyone coming in contact with
- the CRT anode an unpleasant experience at best.
-
- Actually, the "best way of electrocuting yourself" in TV work is probably
- either coming in contact with the AC line, or with what's generally called
- the "B+" voltage, usually around 90-120 VDC. Other "potential" hazards (if
- you'll ignore the pun) are the various supplies for the CRT "base"
- connectors - the grids and focus voltages can be in the several hundred to
- several thousand volt range.
-
- One of the best practices in TV service is the old serviceman's trick of
- keeping one hand in your pocket at all times, when working on the set with the
- power on (or with caps not yet discharged). This will prevent a "two-handed"
- contact, and so will prevent a current path through the heart. (This is how
- the "old servicemen" get to be old!)
-
- In a more general comment: Yes, as is often stated here, it's the current
- that kills, not the voltage. A hundred microamps is sufficient to stop the
- heart if applied directly to it. But Mr. Ohm's legacy still holds true,
- and you need enough electrical "pressure" - voltage - to pump the current
- through a given resistance. The resistance through the human body varies with
- conditions (sweaty vs. dry skin, for example), and the path taken (hand to
- hand, hand to leg, etc.), and so it is very difficult to say in advance, "This
- is lethal. This isn't." In general, you're not going to have any problems
- with, say, a 12V supply, no matter how much current the thing can put out.
- (Remember that there are limits below which the safety folks consider you at
- "Safety Extra Low Voltage" (SELV), and do not worry about you any more.)
- Anything about 25-30 volts or so, treat with caution. Note also that these
- comments apply solely to *electrocution* - you can certainly have an unpleasant
- experience with a 12V 250A supply by welding your watch band across the
- output terminals!
-
-
- Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not
- User Interface Tech. Div.|those of my employer or any other
- myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.
-