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- Organization: Penn State University
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:50:53 EDT
- From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Message-ID: <92203.075053DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: Social Security, Pension plans, and Ending the national debt
- Distribution: usa
- References: <7410@public.BTR.COM> <92202.102434DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
- <7482@public.BTR.COM>
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- In article <7482@public.BTR.COM>, timlee@public.btr.com says:
- >
- >DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
- >|And if you would read all my posts, you would quite clearly see that I
- >readily
- >|admit that Social Security is not even close to perfect. It is, however,
- >|the most effective anti-poverty program in American public policy. The
- >|difference in benefits between the largest and smallest is miniscule,
- >|especially compared to other income sources.
- >
- >But why should there be any difference at all? It's not miniscule;
- >sample figures in an almanac indicate the rich get 1.7 times someone
- >who made $15000 a year before retiring. An anti-poverty program
- >that gives more to people who don't need it than it does to those
- >who do is, by definition, wasting money.
-
- If you look at other sources of income among the elderly (wages and salary,
- interest, dividends, pensions, etc.) and compare the income of the top quintile
- to the income of the bottom quintile the multiples range from 4 to 17.
- Social Security has a miniscule multiple of 1.7--that's about $250 a month
- pre tax. Don't forget that the rich elderly do pay taxes on their
- Social Security, reducing that multiple.
-
- There are two main reasons why I don't find that wasteful. First, any
- examination of successful public policy to reduce poverty will find that
- universal benefit programs, which don't waste dollars on administrative
- programs to means-test, are much more successful at reducing poverty. The
- savings that would be made by not paying benefits to the well-off would
- not be used to pay benefits to the poor, but instead would be used to
- construct a government office to identify who would receive benefits and
- who would not. Next time you are in the library pick up a copy of the
- Social Security Bulletin and examine the administrative costs of
- unemployment insurance and Social Security. While this doesn't justify
- higher payments to the well-off, it does justify universal benefit
- programs.
-
- The second reason is political. It's a political buy-off to get the
- people to support a program which re-distributes income.
-
- >Suppose you could redesign Social Security, other welfare programs,
- >and the tax system from the clean sheet. What would you do?
-
- Sorry, but I don't engage in fictional what-ifs. There are no clean
- sheets; they've already been wet. In articles I've authored I have urged
- increases in the maximum earnings upon which the tax is levied, increases
- in SSI, as opposed to Social Security beenfits, reduced benefits/COLAS for
- the wealthy, and other minor adjustments in the current system.
-
-
- Dennis G. Shea, Penn State <<USUAL DISCLAIMER>>
- "I believe that there is social and psychological justification
- for significant inequalities of incomes and wealth....But it
- is not necessary....that the game should be played for such
- high stakes as at present." John Maynard Keynes
-