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- From: johnson@nrtc.northrop.com (Greg Johnson)
- Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
- Subject: slope soaring helicopters (was Re: Helicopters....)
- Message-ID: <39911@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com>
- Date: 27 Jul 92 22:20:52 GMT
- References: <61791@cup.portal.com> <1992Jul10.151219.29829@informix.com>
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- Reply-To: johnson@nrtc.northrop.com (Greg Johnson)
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- Rob Weinberg writes:
-
- > Would it be theoretically possible to have a non-powered slope-sailing
- > helicopter? After all, real-life one-man gyrocopters are powered by a
- > forward-pulling propeller, with the main rotor unpowered but just generating
- > lift due to the air-stream moving over it and spinning it . . .
-
- There is a fantastic slope soaring site named Bluff Cove on the Palos Verdes
- peninsula in Southern California near where I live. Bluff Cove is a
- naturally formed bowl overlooking the beach. Standing on the edge of the
- bowl, you can look down a 200- to 300-foot cliff to the ocean below.
- Stiff sea breezes get trapped in the bowl, and a Venturi effect accelerates
- the wind and re-directs it straight up. Truly awesome soaring.
-
- People fly (unpowered) models of F-20's, P-51's, etc. They go back and forth
- in a sort of U-shaped pattern, exchanging altitude for speed back and
- forth. At the bottom of the U, the airplanes scream past the fliers at eye
- level. On either side, they slingshot some 150 feet up in the air. At the
- top, they do graceful hammerheads and do it the other way.
-
- It seems you could fly a brick at Bluff Cove.
-
- Anyway, back to your question, I've heard that someone used to auto-rotate
- his R/C helicopter and glide it at Bluff Cove. The story goes that he would
- take the engine out of his helicopter. He would get the blades spinning
- by hand, and hold the heli over the edge. The up-rushing air would
- get the blades spinning fast enough to support the helicopter in autorotation.
- He would then let the thing go, and autorotate back and forth along the
- lip of the bowl.
-
- A Bluff Cove local who claims to have seen this said that the guy usually
- ended up crashing the helicopter. (This tended to lend veracity to the
- story in my mind.) Either the heli would descend below the lip and he
- couldn't recover the altitude, or he would semi-crash land the thing at the
- end of the flight.
-
- An autorotating helicopter can achieve a glide ratio of about 3 or 4 to 1.
- I've done numerous auto's with my Shuttle, and by varying pitch and
- forward airspeed you can get the thing to descend amazingly slowly. So,
- I think it would be physically possible to `slope soar' a helicopter at
- a place like Bluff.
-
- The thing that makes me somewhat skeptical about the above story is the
- described starting/launching technique. I think it would be better to go
- ahead and start the engine, fly out over the edge, gain a little altitude,
- and then hit throttle hold and see how it goes. Then when you're done, or
- if you get in trouble, turn throttle hold off and land the thing.
-
- (To try something like this, it would doubtless be necessary to coordinate
- with the local R/C soaring club, get temporary exemptions from the town
- council, and who knows what else. However, to try something like this and
- get video footage of it would in my opinion be `way cool,' and worth the
- hassle.)
-
- Greg Johnson
- johnson@nrtc.northrop.com
-