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- From: jws@billy.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger)
- Subject: Re: Increasing power?
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:30:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul29.094119.20703@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
- >
- >If you are looking for performance, you can most likely learn how to
- >shift at MUCH better times than an automatic would. They are usually
- >set up for mileage rather than performace, and don't take the engine
- >up to optimal power range before shifting.
- >
-
- Automatics excel at some things. The torque converter beats a clutch hands
- down for things like towing, pulling a boat up the ramp, or launching off
- the line. You get about 2X torque multiplication at stall, and you don't
- have to finesse the clutch and gas simultaneously to get the rear wheel
- torque you want.
-
- Using a clutch to transfer torque from a 4000RPM pressure plate to a 0RPM
- transmission input shaft is an ugly thing to do. Sure you -can- but all the
- excess energy is either heat or wear-off of the clutch material. A clutch
- can give you some extra efficiency and absolute control, but then demands
- that you control it all the time. In addition a clutch, if it is beat upon,
- must be changed out as a wear item. However this necessitates separating
- the engine and transmission. Not an especially servicable wear item, though
- do-able at home with the right equipment.
-
- A torque converter uses the transmission fluid viscosity as the coupling
- medium/energy dump. The fluid is continuously cooled (people who make
- extreme use of the torque converter do/should add extra cooling) and the
- converter does not wear out (sure, there are bearings, but they never seem
- to go).
-
- A torque converter can be selected to give a lot of slip up to the point
- where the engine gets up onto the torque curve. This matching gives optimal
- acceleration because you are not ever down in the low-torque region. With
- a clutch you must keep one eye (or ear) on the RPM to ensure you are keeping
- the engine at the best speed. The converter should be selected to match the
- cam and engine torque/power curve. Of course, a loose converter impacts gas
- mileage, and that's a compromise that the automakers bias toward economy
- typically. But it wasn't always that way. In fact, in the '60s, many of the
- BOP (Buick/Olds/Pontiac) models had a Turbo 400 type transmission with a
- variable-pitch torque converter, sort of a missing link between the older
- variable-vane 2-speed Powerglide/Dynaflow types and the modern 3-speed,
- single-pitch THxxx series. This Sasquatch transmission has two stall speeds,
- electrically selectable. One is the same as, or maybe even lower than, the
- stall speed of modern cars; these transmissions came behind engines like
- the Buick 425 and 430, which had >350HP and idled at 500RPM in gear; newer
- cars idle at 600-750 for various V-8s. The other stall speed is much higher
- (and aftermarket converters are available which offer different stall speed
- pairs; 1400/4000 comes to mind). The stock models controlled stall speed
- selection by a switch attached to the throttle; at idle and WOT the stall
- speed was high and at part throttle it was low. This gave the best of both
- worlds - economy at cruise and optimized WOT acceleration. The neat thing
- is the electrical selectability; it's possible to rig one of these up in
- any car that presently has a TH400, transparently if you take the stock
- switch gizmo, but you can also force one stall speed or the other with a
- switch on the dash or steering wheel or shifter.
-
- If you find this appealing, look for an early to mid-60s ('67 was the last
- year) Buick full-size (Electra, Wildcat). If it's got the big block and there
- is a funky-looking gizmo on the driver's side of the engine, attached to the
- carb with wires running to the transmission, it's probably the Super Turbine
- 400 which is what you want.
-
- Getting to the transmission end of things, the shift points of an automatic
- and the speed/harshness of the shifts can be tuned in to the driver's
- preference as well. By changing the springs on the governor (removable from
- outside) or swapping governors, the WOT upshift point may be moved up quite
- a bit. 5500RPM governors are readily available. Part throttle shifting is
- controlled in some cases by a vacuum modulator (adjustable ones available)
- or a throttle position cable/switch (adjustable) or both. Even valve bodies
- and orifice plates are commonly sold, with characteristics which generally
- give a more positive and rapid engagement/disengagement of the clutch packs
- to reduce wear which would occur if they engaged slowly at high differential
- shaft speeds. In this area the factory compromises in favor of smoothness
- while racers want hard shifts (even/especially if they result in whiplash).
-
- The higher rotating mass of an automatic does rob some power during rapid
- acceleration. Spinning up the torque converter accounts for much of this
- transient power demand, and smaller lighter converters are used by the
- serious types, who want higher stall anyhow. At cruise though the power loss
- is not that bad; a regular converter/automatic vehicle seems to run only a
- couple of MPG lower than a standard. Naturally if your converter choice is
- still slipping a bit at "normal" crusing speeds then your mileage will suffer
- and your car may run hot as the slip energy is dumped into the radiator.
- But a proper setup for street, race, or both is a matter of selection and
- tuning.
-
- Engines with narrow power bands may be more driveable with a close-ratio,
- more-speeds manual transmission; if required to run over the wider ranges
- a 3-speed automatic uses the engine would bog early or fade late. Mileage
- compromises favor small engines which make power by RPM, not torque, and
- with this sort of engine a manual will give more Fahrvergnugen. The manual
- also gives complete control over what the rear end does, which is of some
- concern in road racing where lateral forces and acceleration must be
- dealt with at once, and unexpected gear changes may mean a sudden change
- of itinerary. And of course you have the option of putting the whole power
- train in exactly the state you want at any time, which is certainly a
- desirable thing if that degree of control saves your life or wins the race for
- you.
-
- For straight-line racing, though, where "Go now" is the basic idea and the
- input is a floored gas pedal, an automatic is generally the best choice. The
- manuals take over when the power levels get too high and the times get low.
- For the slower brackets the consistency, reliability and streetability of
- automatics make them more widely preferred. Some folks do use manuals but
- it doesn't appear to help them any.
- --
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