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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <ewright.711925511@convex.convex.com>
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- Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
- References: <92203.173612ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> <yL0aoB27w165w@mantis.co.uk> <1992Jul23.143042.14243@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:05:11 GMT
- X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
- Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
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- In <1992Jul23.143042.14243@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:
-
- >I've been using System 7 with tuneup 1.1.1 for about 6 months now, and I've
- >had to reinstall system 7 and/or rebuild the desktop file an average of
- >twice a month. With 75MB of stuff on my hard drive, this has been the
- >biggest waste of my time.
-
- Oh, rubbish. Your PC-bigot friends might be willing (happy!) to
- belive this, but keep in mind that this is comp.sys.mac and most
- of the people here have actually used Macs.
-
- I've had System 7.0 on my since the day it was released. I have 140M
- on my hard drives, over 100M of which is used, not to mention gigabytes
- of CD-ROM. I have never once had to reinstall System 7 in that time.
- (Never even had to rebuild the desktop, for that matter.) If you have
- to reinstall the system twice a month, you must be doing something
- exceptionally stupid, like dragging system components into the trash
- can and ignoring the warning messages.
-
- You also snuck a lie in sideways. You talk about reinstalling the
- system and rebuilding the desktop together, as if these are both
- jobs of equivalent complexity. In fact, all you have to do to
- rebuild the desktop is to hold down a modifier key during startup.
- Pretty hard, isn't it?
-
- Finally, you can't "rebuild the desktop file" in System 7 because
- there *is* no desktop file. The desktop is now a database, not a
- file. I only mention this because I thought, since you claim to
- be a programmer working on a Master's degree, that you might have
- some idea what you're talking about.
-
-
- >Installing software takes just about the same time.
-
- Double rubbish.
-
- Macintosh: Drag an application icon into a folder or (worst case)
- double-click to run the installer.
-
- PC: Read the documentation to figure out the command line to run
- the installer. (By the time you've finished this step, the Mac
- user is already finished.) Type the command line and run the
- installer. Now you have to install the icons in the Program
- Manager and perhaps create a new program group. Then check the
- CONFIG.SYS, WIN.INI, and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to see what modifications
- the installer made there. Then check every other piece of software
- to make sure it still works with the modifications. If it doesn't,
- call technical support and try to work out some reasonable compromise
- in the CONFIG.SYS, WIN.INI, and AUTOEXEC.BAT that will allow both
- programs to run.
-
- Bestcase time for the Mac -- a few seconds.
- Bestcase time for the PC -- a few minutes.
- Worstcase time for the Mac -- a few minutes.
- Worstcase time for the PC -- several weeks.
-
-
- >Anyone can see that macs have their share of problems by browsing
- >through the comp.sys.mac hierarchy.
-
- Anyone who understands what he's reading will also understand
- that most of those problems arise from INITs that do sophisticated
- things, like replacing the standard window definitions, that you
- can't even do in Windows on the PC.
-
-
- >If you respond to this post, please list the system you bought and
- >how much you paid for it. It shows what you actually have to back your
- >views.
-
- Very well. This is what I've spent over the last two years:
-
- Mac IIsi/40M HD/Apple RGB Monitor $3000
- FPU adapter card 75
- Upgrade to 17M RAM 400
- External 100M HD 400
- 32-bit color board 300
- CD-ROM drive 300
- Developer's CD (500M+ of documentation,
- tools, sample code, etc., updated
- quarterly) $36/yr.
- 12 Voyager CD ROMs $90
- Hypercard, Quicktime, System Software Free
- MacRayshade, NIH Image Free
-
- Plus a few hundred dollars for commercial software packages.
- All prices are rounded off since I'm doing them from memory.
-
-
- >It may also show that you had much more money than I had to spend.
- >In which case, there should be no need for everybody yelling their heads
- >off because I too would buy a mac if I had that much money to spare.
-
- Except that your claim was not that you can't afford a Mac because
- you don't have enough money. It was that if you had enough money
- to afford a Mac, you could get a better PC for the same price.
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