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- From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: Macs cost too much
- Message-ID: <14794@claris.com>
- Date: 21 Jul 92 19:16:54 GMT
- References: <14761@claris.com> <1992Jul18.194414.10494@mmm.serc.3m.com> <14784@claris.com> <Brqqxq.v5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- In article <Brqqxq.v5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson) writes:
- >
- > mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
- >
- > >In article <1992Jul18.194414.10494@mmm.serc.3m.com>, usdta004@mmm.serc.3m.com (Timothy S. Shea) writes:
- > >>
- > >> From article <14761@claris.com>, by mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner):
-
- > >> I disagree with this statement. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had the same
- > >> ideas about GUIs. Apple hired away a good deal of the Xerox PARC
- > >> developers... Good old Bill Gates hired the rest away. Windows and the
- > >> Mac were under developement at the same time. Mr. Gates only cared
- > >> about the Mac because he sunk a good deal of money into developing
- > >> applications for it...meanwhile he was developing Windows for the Intel
- > >> machines... A number of other companies also had GUI's under
- > >> development for Intel machines...
- >
- > >Windows and the Mac were under development at the same time? Why then did
- > >the Mac come out in 1984, and windows not come out until quite a number of
- > >years later--and a halfway decent version of Windows didn't come out until
- > >1990 or 91--six years after the Mac OS first came out. And Windows, in a
- > >number of ways, still hasn't caught up to the interface of the original
- > >Mac OS.
- >
- > Windows 1.0 was announced somewhere around 1983 - I remember seeing it
- > in Infoworld. I think it took most of 2 years before it was actually
- > sold. For a while it was a running industry joke, and was one of the
- > first products to be tagged "vaporware". But yes, it actually dates
- > back that far.
-
- Announcing a product and beginning development on it are not necessarily the
- same thing. Yes, Microsoft announced Windows when Apple introduced the Lisa.
- Of course, at that time, Apple was working on the Mac, and Microsoft was
- developing Multiplan, Chart, and BASIC for the Mac. Yes, there was some
- overlap during the development stages of both, but I read the original
- message to mean that they started development at the same time; and that is
- what I disputed. The Mac was well underway when Apple went to Microsoft to
- try to get them to develop Mac products. That is when I think that Gates got
- the idea to develop Windows. If I misread the intent of the original message,
- I apologize.
-